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11-25-2024 | 01:20 PM

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m3113n1a1

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Originally Posted by Nantonaku

Exactly. Who is getting calls about a delay for passenger/non-rev/jump seat issues? No one. Even if they were calling, yep - we delayed due to issues getting a jump seater on. End of call. Geez.

The ATL CPO was actually calling captains maybe 6 months to a year ago for holding flights for REVENUE pax. I think it has stopped recently though.

11-25-2024 | 04:10 PM

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Hotel Kilo

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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1

The ATL CPO was actually calling captains maybe 6 months to a year ago for holding flights for REVENUE pax. I think it has stopped recently though.

I stopped reading at "ATL CPO".

11-25-2024 | 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by notEnuf

Corporal Captain was a rank on M*A*S*H

"Well, I don't like it. I don't like it one BIT!"

11-25-2024 | 04:13 PM

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demon llama

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If any captain on the 73N needs a handy excuse to delay a flight (for a JS or whatever) just call maintenance for the inop FO map light. 1/2 of those things are burned out.

11-25-2024 | 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbo

FO tells gate agent, "The Captain sent me out here to see if you got all the non-revs and jumpseaters on, because he said we're not leaving without them unless every seat is filled, including all FA and cockpit jumpseats."

Is that so hard?

FOs still outrank gate agents last time I checked.

If the CA delegates that to me then I would be happy to do that. But since I have never seen a CA make the walk themselves, I don't think any are going to ask me to do that, and I most definitely am not gonna pretend the CA told me to do something he didn't.

11-25-2024 | 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead135

"Well, I don't like it. I don't like it one BIT!"

"Put down one no, one against...."

11-25-2024 | 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbo

Nobody's doing a carpet dance or gonna die on a hill, over a delayed pushback to get non-revs or a JS on!

Your kind scare me! Please, put me on your no-fly list!

Obviously you aren't a Captain who works for AA.
BTW.....RANKS?

Are you new?

11-26-2024 | 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo

Our uppper management in flight operations would disagree in totality with this statement. Captains are very much at the forefront and are indeed, "front line leaders", in all aspects of the operation..

I think this is right and is the nuance that is being missed in the conversation. Being the front line leader does mean sometimes there’s some authority. It also is never permission to condescend or disempower any employee. Nobody “has” to take orders from a pilot (except once blocked out per the chain of command in the FOM), but Flight Ops leaders does expect pilots to, sometimes, assertively take a leadership role.

11-26-2024 | 05:30 AM

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Timbo

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Originally Posted by Peoplemvr

Obviously you aren't a Captain who works for AA.
BTW.....RANKS?

Are you new?

Yeah, excuse my ignorance, I'm new here, please enlighten me with all your years of Delta experience and worldly knowledge....(eye roll here)

11-26-2024 | 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by iLikeMoose

Or....you could show some initiative and tell the Captain you're going out front for a minute to see if they got everyone on.

Look, I know things get real busy just before pushback, so I always talked to the gate agents before I got on the jet, and I would ask them at that time, "Are we going to be full?" And, "Are the non-revs going to get on?" And, "We got any jumpseaters?" If it looked like we were going to be full I would ask them to please get everyone on and if there's going to be a delay, "Put it on me."

Never had a problem with my FO leaving to go check, last minute, either.

Some of you guys make it a lot harder than it has to be!