AUS high winds
03-06-2025 | 03:05 PM
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03-06-2025 | 03:20 PM
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I didn’t get the impression that he was “refusing“ to go, I felt like they were just shutting the engines down because the airport had closed because of the incident and they knew they’d be sitting there for a little while. Regardless, no one is going to stop our operation except for the Captains. No one in OCC is stopping anything. Until an airport closes they just keep the train chugging along.
The FOM clearly gives captains the authority to the delay a flight but not cancel one. I’ve used that card before.
Just because a flight arrives at its destination, does not mean that it was a done safely or responsibly. sometimes I wish more of us would have that versus the historic go go go mission driven mindset. This airline has clearly stated that they will back us up when we make safety related decisions.
Good discussion
The FOM clearly gives captains the authority to the delay a flight but not cancel one. I’ve used that card before.
Just because a flight arrives at its destination, does not mean that it was a done safely or responsibly. sometimes I wish more of us would have that versus the historic go go go mission driven mindset. This airline has clearly stated that they will back us up when we make safety related decisions.
Good discussion
03-06-2025 | 03:27 PM
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I'm pretty sure xjt didn't have a crosswind limitation either...I definitely remember some gnarly crosswind landings 15 years ago that I would definitely not attempt today in a Delta jet.
03-07-2025 | 12:46 PM
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Im sure the pressure to take an unairworthy airplane here pales in comparison to the regional level. Hell, didn’t even get sent home or to the hotel after landing with crash trucks. Just get a new plane and file your ASAP when able.
Off the top of my head a couple of odd ones during pax ops: 1) we were approved for flight unpressurized 2) with the landing gear pinned down.
I refused to be crew on an airplane at the regionals once (as FO) because the seat track was deferred and they would have to safety wire it to my preferred seating position. Nope no thanks. What if we need to evacuate?? Company solution - spent an hour trying to replace me first.
Off the top of my head a couple of odd ones during pax ops: 1) we were approved for flight unpressurized 2) with the landing gear pinned down.
I refused to be crew on an airplane at the regionals once (as FO) because the seat track was deferred and they would have to safety wire it to my preferred seating position. Nope no thanks. What if we need to evacuate?? Company solution - spent an hour trying to replace me first.
03-07-2025 | 03:18 PM
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I didn’t get the impression that he was “refusing“ to go, I felt like they were just shutting the engines down because the airport had closed because of the incident and they knew they’d be sitting there for a little while. Regardless, no one is going to stop our operation except for the Captains. No one in OCC is stopping anything. Until an airport closes they just keep the train chugging along.
The FOM clearly gives captains the authority to the delay a flight but not cancel one. I’ve used that card before.
Just because a flight arrives at its destination, does not mean that it was a done safely or responsibly. sometimes I wish more of us would have that versus the historic go go go mission driven mindset. This airline has clearly stated that they will back us up when we make safety related decisions.
Good discussion
The FOM clearly gives captains the authority to the delay a flight but not cancel one. I’ve used that card before.
Just because a flight arrives at its destination, does not mean that it was a done safely or responsibly. sometimes I wish more of us would have that versus the historic go go go mission driven mindset. This airline has clearly stated that they will back us up when we make safety related decisions.
Good discussion
03-07-2025 | 03:44 PM
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The only time a FAR violation would occur is if the OCC is aware (or reasonably should be aware) of an unsafe condition and they dispatch a flight into it anyway.
03-07-2025 | 03:48 PM
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That's what the big bucks are for.
Even if you're wrong. (*) Final authority, yadda yadda.
*(We learn by doing. In 3 decades and 4 Part 121 carriers I've never received a phone call for diverting, delaying, or refusing an aircraft. Take from that what you will.)
03-07-2025 | 05:33 PM
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There's only one man who'll slow/stop the operation, and it's the captain.
That's what the big bucks are for.
Even if you're wrong. (*) Final authority, yadda yadda.
*(We learn by doing. In 3 decades and 4 Part 121 carriers I've never received a phone call for diverting, delaying, or refusing an aircraft. Take from that what you will.)
That's what the big bucks are for.
Even if you're wrong. (*) Final authority, yadda yadda.
*(We learn by doing. In 3 decades and 4 Part 121 carriers I've never received a phone call for diverting, delaying, or refusing an aircraft. Take from that what you will.)
03-07-2025 | 07:31 PM
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From: 7ER B...whatever that means.
There's only one man who'll slow/stop the operation, and it's the captain.
That's what the big bucks are for.
Even if you're wrong. (*) Final authority, yadda yadda.
*(We learn by doing. In 3 decades and 4 Part 121 carriers I've never received a phone call for diverting, delaying, or refusing an aircraft. Take from that what you will.)
That's what the big bucks are for.
Even if you're wrong. (*) Final authority, yadda yadda.
*(We learn by doing. In 3 decades and 4 Part 121 carriers I've never received a phone call for diverting, delaying, or refusing an aircraft. Take from that what you will.)
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