Yeah...they all suck and we should just leave the sim and start flying with regular cool Captains like yourself who know it all. OE is such a waste of time for the pilot.coming to the plane and money for the company . 🤣🤣 Wow!

 

Hit a nerve? That's not even close to what I said. I'll repeat it because like my wife, you hear what you want to hear. I was a senior FO (12 years with the company and 5 years on the airplane) that was not on OE. OE needs to be informative and constructive not a face blast of information during every second of the flight. There are times when the discussion is not useful or recieved.

I recall tuning out the diatribe because I already missed a radio call on a congested frequency and didn't want to be "that" guy. Most check airmen think highly of their knowledge and experience which is fine, but if I tell you I already know something don't be offended and take it as a challenge of a game of stump the chump. There are times that stuff is not a priority. Also, I've done that job but not at Delta because of the image. Nevermind that I was giving OE to true noobs in a jet when they had 15 hours of Seneca time. But of course that experience doesn't count for anything on the line at DAL. If the foot print isn't long enough then that's a failure of the department, not the OE pilot. I know the lanyard is the first rung on the ladder so your ambition is noted.

 

Ah, flying with the old “watch how awesome I instruct!” guy. Tough pill, for sure!

I always loved teaching my IP candidates the importance of student feedback. The difference between chaff comm and instruction is the interest and comprehension of your student. At some point it isn’t useful to either one of you if the glazed eyes looking back at you are clearly counting down the seconds until leaving the flight deck to escape.

There’s a reason priorities are always aviate, navigate, communicate, THEN instruction. I think sometimes we let our time in the jet overshadow the instructor lessons we learned when we were younger.

Are the LCAs not teaching prioritization, CRM, and airmanship anymore?

 

Counterpoint. Been a part of 2 LCs in the past 2 months, neither LCA said a word until shutdown with an obligatory “I guess I have to say something so you feel you got your moneys worth.”

Second, I fly with LCAs nay I say regularly, as they seem to not be doing LCA stuff and of-course their trip is now in open time. Obviously base dependent, but my fleet and coast LCAs are very cool, down-to-earth people. Yet to meet one who I wouldn’t be happy flying with.

 

you lumped all lca into your diatribe……maybe write “some” or “the ones I’ve dealt with”…… you seem a little tightly wound friend.

 

I agree and have the same experience. When not doing OE they really enjoy a break and some peace and quiet. I got maybe one or two "tips" throughout the entire trip, and I appreciated it because I don't want to be the weird guy doing something different.

Maybe some people just fly sloppy and open themselves up to more feedback? 😉 Jk I hope..

 

Honestly it’s such a mixed bag, and there’s always going to be some RNG based on who you get.

737: One fantastic, one “you will use my call sign”
777: Both awesome.
330: Fantastic on OE but one LCA on his first ever line check was a piece of work. “Over breakfast I compute the probable range of Gross Weight so I have an idea before I get to the airport…”
ER: One ok, one awesome.
A320: Not the worst, but c’mon man it’s captain NB transition training don’t lead with “I print my own templates with blank spaces for each flight down to ZFWCG but don’t worry I brought you a stack for you to use.”

Overall it’s cooperate and graduate but LCA are like a box of chocolates, you never know what you might get.

 

The initial response was to sailings... but LCAs are saints (I'm paraphrasing) The second was an example of an unselfaware LCA I flew with more than once who felt he had to teach every pilot he flew with. Thankfully I haven't flown with an LCA in a long time like that (or any really) If I wasn't clear that this was my specific experience with someone (two really) on more than one occasion, then it's clear now. My experience has been the worst at DAL of the 3 airlines and 1 corporate operator I've worked for. There is an elevated level of self importance with the LCAs at DAL that were not present elsewhere. This is my experience. If that has changed, then that's a good thing. As for being wound tight, I doubt it. It's probably too close to home for some, and hard truths are tough to accept.

 

Mel’s Hole!!!

If you do miss Art Bell, check out The Why Files…YouTube or podcast

 

TOE went extinct 2.5 years ago.