Delta 56 Severe Turbulence
08-01-2025 | 07:32 AM
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I understand that this is how it's supposed to be, but was that true in this incident? Also, doesn't the 339 have the new radar technology, along with Widget weather? How does this happen?
08-01-2025 | 07:33 AM
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It was not a 4 man crew on this leg.
For those who have not done augmented ops recently, standard practice is that the RP goes on first break, Landing pilot second, and PM-for-landing third.
Current policy is that if you start in a seat, you finish in that seat. There was a time when, on the CA's leg, the RP(FO) and PM-for-landing(FO) would switch rolls after the breaks (i.e. third-break pilot would simply become RP for landing), but FAR 117 (break requirements) and company policy has eliminated that practice.
For those who have not done augmented ops recently, standard practice is that the RP goes on first break, Landing pilot second, and PM-for-landing third.
Current policy is that if you start in a seat, you finish in that seat. There was a time when, on the CA's leg, the RP(FO) and PM-for-landing(FO) would switch rolls after the breaks (i.e. third-break pilot would simply become RP for landing), but FAR 117 (break requirements) and company policy has eliminated that practice.
08-01-2025 | 07:40 AM
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It's highly unlikely. Regardless, it doesn't take being as senior as a Delta 330 captain typically is to know to deviate around cells in the summertime. Whoever was occupying either seat when this occurred had a responsibility to try and avoid it. That said, I do want to give benefit of the doubt to the crew because I wasn't there and don't know what they saw or didn't see.
08-01-2025 | 07:45 AM
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Does the 339 radar also give you the turbulence red polkadots? The 321 is notorious for scaring you with indications of turbulent air near cells, only to disappear as you get closer and you end up with a smooth ride. Its wrong 99.9% of the time in my experience. Could very easily breed complacency.
"Oh this thing is always wrong" until it isn't.
"Oh this thing is always wrong" until it isn't.
08-01-2025 | 07:50 AM
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08-01-2025 | 08:13 AM
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Does the 339 radar also give you the turbulence red polkadots? The 321 is notorious for scaring you with indications of turbulent air near cells, only to disappear as you get closer and you end up with a smooth ride. Its wrong 99.9% of the time in my experience. Could very easily breed complacency.
"Oh this thing is always wrong" until it isn't.
"Oh this thing is always wrong" until it isn't.
08-01-2025 | 10:04 AM
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The problem with the Multiscan radar is that is super sensitive and makes even light rain look at times like the end of days. It is easy to be lulled into a bit of a false sense of security when most of the time it paints significantly worse than what is actually out there. Typically when deviating around weather, particularly embedded weather I'll cycle between "scary mode" ie, AUTO, and "not scary mode" ie MANUAL. Its an art and a science.
AUTO will sometimes paint light rain as all red with cross hatches and red dots indicating lightning, turbulence, and hail when clearly there is none of that.
Technically the radar can be left in AUTO at all times but I've just found that if you do that and abide 100% by our rules for avoiding weather, we won't be able to run the airline. On that same note, I am in no way advocating for pushing weather or penetrating TS areas that should not be. I avoid everything as much as possible.
It will be interesting to see how this event happened and if they were actively using the radar/weather viewer/etc.
AUTO will sometimes paint light rain as all red with cross hatches and red dots indicating lightning, turbulence, and hail when clearly there is none of that.
Technically the radar can be left in AUTO at all times but I've just found that if you do that and abide 100% by our rules for avoiding weather, we won't be able to run the airline. On that same note, I am in no way advocating for pushing weather or penetrating TS areas that should not be. I avoid everything as much as possible.
It will be interesting to see how this event happened and if they were actively using the radar/weather viewer/etc.
08-01-2025 | 10:15 AM
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Red Speckle in Green/Yellow: Probability of Lightning
Red Speckle outside cell boundary: Warning for potential Hail, Lighting
Extended Red Speckled Pattern in Direction of Wind: Warning for Highest Potential for Hail and Lightning outside Reflectivity Areas
Red Speckle outside cell boundary: Warning for potential Hail, Lighting
Extended Red Speckled Pattern in Direction of Wind: Warning for Highest Potential for Hail and Lightning outside Reflectivity Areas
08-01-2025 | 10:57 AM
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Don't mind me, gonna go freshen up on my radar knowledge...
08-01-2025 | 11:00 AM
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Delta Pilots: "The flight attendants are lazy, entitled cart donkeys and look for any excuse not to do service"
Also Delta Pilots: "The flight attendants are so eager to do their service that I can barely restrain them"
I get that their rest is tied to service completion, its just funny how on this forum we're complaining from both sides of our collective mouths.
Also Delta Pilots: "The flight attendants are so eager to do their service that I can barely restrain them"
I get that their rest is tied to service completion, its just funny how on this forum we're complaining from both sides of our collective mouths.
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