Delta 56 Severe Turbulence
09-10-2025 | 10:24 AM
#551
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09-10-2025 | 10:33 AM
#552
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New guys:
Running low of fuel (divert planning common sense) mult times
Running into fixed things on the ground (multiple times) because they don't oversteer going into gates
Over speeding aircraft (mult times....we had one crew hit .815 almost in a 73)
Getting in an upset state (mult times and is a fleet dependent issue)
Botched clearances resulting in serious NAV errors (mult times)
Incorrect QRH procedures ran (one specific fleet here)
All these happened multiple times throughout the operation with a common denominator. New and inexperienced in one or both seats. I mean we all make mistakes and we learn. Your comment here deserved a rebuttal.
09-10-2025 | 11:00 AM
#553
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You don't see all that goes on week to week day to day in those SES.
New guys:
Running low of fuel (divert planning common sense) mult times
Running into fixed things on the ground (multiple times) because they don't oversteer going into gates
Over speeding aircraft (mult times....we had one crew hit .815 almost in a 73)
Getting in an upset state (mult times and is a fleet dependent issue)
Botched clearances resulting in serious NAV errors (mult times)
Incorrect QRH procedures ran (one specific fleet here)
All these happened multiple times throughout the operation with a common denominator. New and inexperienced in one or both seats. I mean we all make mistakes and we learn. Your comment here deserved a rebuttal.
New guys:
Running low of fuel (divert planning common sense) mult times
Running into fixed things on the ground (multiple times) because they don't oversteer going into gates
Over speeding aircraft (mult times....we had one crew hit .815 almost in a 73)
Getting in an upset state (mult times and is a fleet dependent issue)
Botched clearances resulting in serious NAV errors (mult times)
Incorrect QRH procedures ran (one specific fleet here)
All these happened multiple times throughout the operation with a common denominator. New and inexperienced in one or both seats. I mean we all make mistakes and we learn. Your comment here deserved a rebuttal.
How about landing in the grass in AMS being lucky the gear didn't rip off?
Or diverting to SYR at night with INOP runway edge lights?
I can keep going.
How about you get off y'all's high horse and admit that everyone makes mistakes at all seniority levels, regardless of whether or not you believe they're worthy of being in that seat. Then we can have an intellectually honest discussion about preventing incidents like this and the lessons learned.
09-10-2025 | 11:41 AM
#554
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From: Blue Juice Taste Tester
Lets not forget that at a major legacy airline senior is almost always correlates to older, but junior isn't always younger. That blue dot chart that was posted around here a week or two ago comes to mind.
09-10-2025 | 12:34 PM
#555
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That was my chart. The average age for the bottom half of the seniority list is age 39. Average age for top half of the seniority list is 54.
09-10-2025 | 04:15 PM
#556
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You don't see all that goes on week to week day to day in those SES.
New guys:
Running low of fuel (divert planning common sense) mult times
Running into fixed things on the ground (multiple times) because they don't oversteer going into gates
Over speeding aircraft (mult times....we had one crew hit .815 almost in a 73)
Getting in an upset state (mult times and is a fleet dependent issue)
Botched clearances resulting in serious NAV errors (mult times)
Incorrect QRH procedures ran (one specific fleet here)
All these happened multiple times throughout the operation with a common denominator. New and inexperienced in one or both seats. I mean we all make mistakes and we learn. Your comment here deserved a rebuttal.
New guys:
Running low of fuel (divert planning common sense) mult times
Running into fixed things on the ground (multiple times) because they don't oversteer going into gates
Over speeding aircraft (mult times....we had one crew hit .815 almost in a 73)
Getting in an upset state (mult times and is a fleet dependent issue)
Botched clearances resulting in serious NAV errors (mult times)
Incorrect QRH procedures ran (one specific fleet here)
All these happened multiple times throughout the operation with a common denominator. New and inexperienced in one or both seats. I mean we all make mistakes and we learn. Your comment here deserved a rebuttal.
09-10-2025 | 04:41 PM
#557
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You don't see all that goes on week to week day to day in those SES.
New guys:
Running low of fuel (divert planning common sense) mult times
Running into fixed things on the ground (multiple times) because they don't oversteer going into gates
Over speeding aircraft (mult times....we had one crew hit .815 almost in a 73)
Getting in an upset state (mult times and is a fleet dependent issue)
Botched clearances resulting in serious NAV errors (mult times)
Incorrect QRH procedures ran (one specific fleet here)
All these happened multiple times throughout the operation with a common denominator. New and inexperienced in one or both seats. I mean we all make mistakes and we learn. Your comment here deserved a rebuttal.
New guys:
Running low of fuel (divert planning common sense) mult times
Running into fixed things on the ground (multiple times) because they don't oversteer going into gates
Over speeding aircraft (mult times....we had one crew hit .815 almost in a 73)
Getting in an upset state (mult times and is a fleet dependent issue)
Botched clearances resulting in serious NAV errors (mult times)
Incorrect QRH procedures ran (one specific fleet here)
All these happened multiple times throughout the operation with a common denominator. New and inexperienced in one or both seats. I mean we all make mistakes and we learn. Your comment here deserved a rebuttal.
09-10-2025 | 04:43 PM
#558
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Hitting stationary objects like an RJ holding short of 8R? Or a Virgin Atlantic Airbus and flying all the way to Brazil with a floppy winglet?
How about landing in the grass in AMS being lucky the gear didn't rip off?
Or diverting to SYR at night with INOP runway edge lights?
I can keep going.
How about you get off y'all's high horse and admit that everyone makes mistakes at all seniority levels, regardless of whether or not you believe they're worthy of being in that seat. Then we can have an intellectually honest discussion about preventing incidents like this and the lessons learned.
How about landing in the grass in AMS being lucky the gear didn't rip off?
Or diverting to SYR at night with INOP runway edge lights?
I can keep going.
How about you get off y'all's high horse and admit that everyone makes mistakes at all seniority levels, regardless of whether or not you believe they're worthy of being in that seat. Then we can have an intellectually honest discussion about preventing incidents like this and the lessons learned.
Did you bother to read what I wrote?
Yes, we have had multiple, that is many, of you young guys taxiing into things on the ground. It got so bad on a certain fleet the standards guys had to put out a fleet bulletin on how to taxi into the gate.
09-10-2025 | 04:47 PM
#559
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Sounds like poor training from senior LCAs
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