Delta 56 Severe Turbulence
09-11-2025 | 10:21 AM
#571
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09-11-2025 | 11:07 AM
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Just like they had to put out a Safety Memo about how not to fly through thunderstorms. I read all your examples including this one, and can come up with an equal number of "yikes" moments with senior widebody crews at the helm, like the one that sparked this thread. All the examples you brought up are bad and should be addressed, but attributing it simply to age or seniority is overly simplistic.
C'mon HK you're better than this. That's why I'm being intentionally stubborn, and sometimes sarcastic. It gets exhausting getting talked down to all the time, and having to listen to how junior pilots in both seats don't have the right skills or experience to be there. You and others have said multiple times that there was significant scrutiny both in the training department and in flight standards over the Captains that upgraded with less than 3 years on property when that was going on. I can attest to it being true having gone through the program myself. If significant deficiencies were noted they should have been dealt with in that setting. I think it's dishonest to try and paint one category of pilots as lesser just based on their seniority number, when the truth is everyone can have a bad day at work and end up on a bulletin, or worse the news. We study those that ended up in that unfortunate situation so hopefully we never have to ourselves.
C'mon HK you're better than this. That's why I'm being intentionally stubborn, and sometimes sarcastic. It gets exhausting getting talked down to all the time, and having to listen to how junior pilots in both seats don't have the right skills or experience to be there. You and others have said multiple times that there was significant scrutiny both in the training department and in flight standards over the Captains that upgraded with less than 3 years on property when that was going on. I can attest to it being true having gone through the program myself. If significant deficiencies were noted they should have been dealt with in that setting. I think it's dishonest to try and paint one category of pilots as lesser just based on their seniority number, when the truth is everyone can have a bad day at work and end up on a bulletin, or worse the news. We study those that ended up in that unfortunate situation so hopefully we never have to ourselves.
we see a lot of stuff happening out there that, again, is not published in the SES. Maybe you should volunteer for one of the safety groups or to be a FOQA dude. I think you'd have your eyes opened. Again, we all make mistakes, and we all should learn from them and others.
09-11-2025 | 11:41 AM
#575
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09-11-2025 | 11:53 AM
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As stated above, we all make mistakes, but don't act like you're immune from them.
Also something to be said about the exponential LTD after age 60. What if instead of dragging on your career out to age 67 (which dilutes pay, assuming there's a fixed amount in the company budget), you could make the same amount of money, sooner with more movement? Better for all.
09-11-2025 | 01:01 PM
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You don't see all that goes on week to week day to day in those SES.
New guys:
Running low of fuel (divert planning common sense) mult times
Running into fixed things on the ground (multiple times) because they don't oversteer going into gates
Over speeding aircraft (mult times....we had one crew hit .815 almost in a 73)
Getting in an upset state (mult times and is a fleet dependent issue)
Botched clearances resulting in serious NAV errors (mult times)
Incorrect QRH procedures ran (one specific fleet here)
All these happened multiple times throughout the operation with a common denominator. New and inexperienced in one or both seats. I mean we all make mistakes and we learn. Your comment here deserved a rebuttal.
New guys:
Running low of fuel (divert planning common sense) mult times
Running into fixed things on the ground (multiple times) because they don't oversteer going into gates
Over speeding aircraft (mult times....we had one crew hit .815 almost in a 73)
Getting in an upset state (mult times and is a fleet dependent issue)
Botched clearances resulting in serious NAV errors (mult times)
Incorrect QRH procedures ran (one specific fleet here)
All these happened multiple times throughout the operation with a common denominator. New and inexperienced in one or both seats. I mean we all make mistakes and we learn. Your comment here deserved a rebuttal.
09-11-2025 | 01:27 PM
#578
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You don't see all that goes on week to week day to day in those SES.
New guys:
Running low of fuel (divert planning common sense) mult times
Running into fixed things on the ground (multiple times) because they don't oversteer going into gates
Over speeding aircraft (mult times....we had one crew hit .815 almost in a 73)
Getting in an upset state (mult times and is a fleet dependent issue)
Botched clearances resulting in serious NAV errors (mult times)
Incorrect QRH procedures ran (one specific fleet here)
All these happened multiple times throughout the operation with a common denominator. New and inexperienced in one or both seats. I mean we all make mistakes and we learn. Your comment here deserved a rebuttal.
New guys:
Running low of fuel (divert planning common sense) mult times
Running into fixed things on the ground (multiple times) because they don't oversteer going into gates
Over speeding aircraft (mult times....we had one crew hit .815 almost in a 73)
Getting in an upset state (mult times and is a fleet dependent issue)
Botched clearances resulting in serious NAV errors (mult times)
Incorrect QRH procedures ran (one specific fleet here)
All these happened multiple times throughout the operation with a common denominator. New and inexperienced in one or both seats. I mean we all make mistakes and we learn. Your comment here deserved a rebuttal.
-A non-spring chicken.
09-11-2025 | 01:51 PM
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There's nothing to calculate. It's your min landing fuel at destination. Both Boeing and Airbus FMC's will notify you if you are going to land below that value. No need to overcomplicate things with someone's "technique."
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