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Old 08-01-2025 | 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by LumberJack
Maybe, or could be any number of other things. It amazes me how people think they have enough information.
Yeah..the people on here casting judgment from a radar snapshot from flightaware which is rarely accurate at the time are honestly worse than the media. Disappointing, but expected these days I guess.
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Old 08-01-2025 | 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Tinpusher007
Maybe they weren't told to sit. It appears the crew didn't deviate around the wx at all so maybe they didn't feel the conditions warranted the FAs to be seated. Pax account of what happened said it was all of a sudden.
Turbulence does hit all of a sudden when you penetrate a storm cell… 😉
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Old 08-01-2025 | 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by madmax757
pretty standard practice (AIM) is to deviate around severe thunderstorms by 20 miles . Looks like they went right into a severe weather or in the tops. The 330-900 is nearly new and has radar for dummies . Looks like gross negligence to me.
I have had the radar on the A330-900 fail passive so to speak and simply not paint anything.
It would also often be a battle with the flight attendants who wanted to be up at 14,000 feet starting the service when you had a forecast for mountain wave and turbulence. I would hold them down until we cleared the Rockies but it created friction. More than once I had flight attendants get up when I told them to stay seated until I called them.

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Old 08-01-2025 | 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
A common thing I have seen with those pilots is failing to take the winds into account. When they are going between cells, they try to go right in the middle of them. I would rather be 20 miles away from the downwind cell and 10 miles from the upwind cell rather than 15 miles from both.
Wouldn’t the opposite be true? The downwind side is where all of the things coming out of the storm usually live (hail, turbulence, etc).
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Old 08-01-2025 | 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Is that radar overlay time synced to the incident?
I’ve looked back at my own flights on FlightAware where I’ve had to deviate around weather. I’ve found the depicted route vs depicted weather to not jive most of the time. I put very little faith the image the original poster uploaded is accurate.
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Old 08-01-2025 | 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by CoefficientX
I’ve looked back at my own flights on FlightAware where I’ve had to deviate around weather. I’ve found the depicted route vs depicted weather to not jive most of the time. I put very little faith the image the original poster uploaded is accurate.
Ok, but Occam’s razor. Two options, either they flew through a cell or there was sudden extreme CAT. When there are cells in the vicinity I know what my money is on.
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Old 08-01-2025 | 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I have had the radar on the A330-900 fail passive so to speak and simply not paint anything.
It would also often be a battle with the flight attendants who wanted to be up at 14,000 feet starting the service when you had a forecast for mountain wave and turbulence. I would hold them down until we cleared the Rockies but it created friction. More than once I had flight attendants get up when I told them to stay seated until I called them.
This attitude is real believe it or not. First wave of flight attendant rest doesn’t start until service is done. Getting held down past 10,000 starts to eat into the rest periods. They want to get their service done. It’s a balance.
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Old 08-01-2025 | 05:08 AM
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Was time of day was this? I always prefer to go where I can see. One peek is worth a thousand sweeps.
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Old 08-01-2025 | 05:33 AM
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Couple of questions/thoughts. Were they at least 5000' above the tops? Am I the only one that will deviate 1NM for every knot of wind, when downwind? Who would've been on break on a 3 man crew at this point? Does the Capt ever take first break? Does anyone else check the gain, go manual gain to 100% to get a look? I have always felt that our training on radar usage was weak.
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Old 08-01-2025 | 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by CoefficientX
I’ve looked back at my own flights on FlightAware where I’ve had to deviate around weather. I’ve found the depicted route vs depicted weather to not jive most of the time. I put very little faith the image the original poster uploaded is accurate.

yes but in this instance the pictures of the galley and cabin sure are consistent with the picture from Flight Radar flying directly through a cell…

if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck…
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