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Old 08-08-2025 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Gspeed
I spent over a decade at one that allowed either pilot to call the abort and do the braking.
Ok but which one?
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Old 08-08-2025 | 11:41 AM
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I aborted at 90 knots once and it was per the carriers policy of 100 knots being the high speed regime. It went fine and we stopped in plenty of time. I wrote up the malfunction and the flight cancelled. I was later advised that I should not have aborted and that it was a nuisance message. There is no winning in the situation because the flight cancelled and was investigated by flight ops and maintenance. The monday morning quarterback concluded that I should have continued even though it was policy to abort. That taught me to just do what I thought was safest because someone WILL have a contrary opinion, whether that person is evaluating your performance is a crapshoot.
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Old 08-08-2025 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
I aborted at 90 knots once and it was per the carriers policy of 100 knots being the high speed regime. It went fine and we stopped in plenty of time. I wrote up the malfunction and the flight cancelled. I was later advised that I should not have aborted and that it was a nuisance message. There is no winning in the situation because the flight cancelled and was investigated by flight ops and maintenance. The monday morning quarterback concluded that I should have continued even though it was policy to abort. That taught me to just do what I thought was safest because someone WILL have a contrary opinion, whether that person is evaluating your performance is a crapshoot.
100% this!!!

and ultimately the responsibility will fall back on the CA which is why having the FO make the decision is not wise.
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Old 08-08-2025 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
I aborted at 90 knots once and it was per the carriers policy of 100 knots being the high speed regime. It went fine and we stopped in plenty of time. I wrote up the malfunction and the flight cancelled. I was later advised that I should not have aborted and that it was a nuisance message. There is no winning in the situation because the flight cancelled and was investigated by flight ops and maintenance. The monday morning quarterback concluded that I should have continued even though it was policy to abort. That taught me to just do what I thought was safest because someone WILL have a contrary opinion, whether that person is evaluating your performance is a crapshoot.
The ops pinheads will always try to push boundaries to try to keep the schedule. Our job is to ignore the noise and focus on safety. Who cares if they call. You never had any repercussions other than an annoying call, I assume? They know anything other than sharing their (unwanted) opinion will get them in hot water with the FAA for pilot pushing. ALPA will stop the nonsense too, if they chose to press to test.
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Old 08-08-2025 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Guppydriver95
The ops pinheads will always try to push boundaries to try to keep the schedule. Our job is to ignore the noise and focus on safety. Who cares if they call. You never had any repercussions other than an annoying call, I assume? They know anything other than sharing their (unwanted) opinion will get them in hot water with the FAA for pilot pushing. ALPA will stop the nonsense too, if they chose to press to test.
Yup, that's why I said advised. No discipline and no attaboy but they absolutely "just wanted to bring it to my attention." Duly noted and ignored, sir. No, you don't want to remove me from my next trip with pay for remedial training? I don't mind, really!
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Old 08-08-2025 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by CX500T
Speedbrakes didn't even get up before simulator paused and a 80+ year old retired captain NSLI reads us both the riot act for a good 15 minutes how "ONLY A DELTA CAPTAIN MAY EVER CALL ABORT, YOU F/Os CANNOT COMPREHEND THE DANGER"
That the most Delta Air(space)Lines things I've ever heard.......
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Old 08-08-2025 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
That the most Delta Air(space)Lines things I've ever heard.......
I was a new hire who had a CJO from AA, in hand and an interview with UAL coming up.

That NSLI (non seniority list instructor) made me seriously consider bailing for UAL or AA.
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Old 08-08-2025 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by CX500T
I was a new hire who had a CJO from AA, in hand and an interview with UAL coming up.

That NSLI (non seniority list instructor) made me seriously consider bailing for UAL or AA.
They try this at UA every contract negotiation. Hard pass. I want sim instructors who are part of our group, not an outsourced third party with no loyalty to or understanding of our pilot group.
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Originally Posted by Guppydriver95
They try this at UA every contract negotiation. Hard pass. I want sim instructors who are part of our group, not an outsourced third party with no loyalty to or understanding of our pilot group.
Most but not all are former DAL/NWA but some have been retired for 20+ years. Some are awesome. Some are not.

They don't do jeopardy events. But do most everything else.

I'll see what I get in my 0500 brief for CQ tomorrow.

Side note. After I retire, my butt ain't getting up for anything that requires me to be up in time to drive somewhere for a 5am anything.

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Old 08-08-2025 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
100% this!!!

and ultimately the responsibility will fall back on the CA which is why having the FO make the decision is not wise.
Fine. Call the abort as the Captain and let the FO perform the maneuver if the PF.



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