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Old 10-10-2025 | 07:00 AM
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Old 10-10-2025 | 07:25 AM
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Farm subsidies need to stop anyway. Most of them are large corporate farms now and we are propping up failed uses like ethanol that are not economically viable without the subsidy.
Agreed. Actually all subsidies need to stop.
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Old 10-10-2025 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Agreed. Actually all subsidies need to stop.
Oil & gas as well?
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Old 10-10-2025 | 07:30 AM
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Oil & gas as well?
Every last one.
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Old 10-10-2025 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Every last one.
It'd be a curious experiment. How about defense? The sheer amount of R&D & procurement programs boil down to subsidies as well. Quick search estimates well over $100B a year for what amounts to defense subsidies which is more than ag, fossil fuels and renewables combined.

Subsidies are obviously complex and arguably useful in stabilizing the economy along with promoting progress. I'm probably not in the nuke'm all camp but smart reductions might not be the worst thing.
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Old 10-10-2025 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by velosnow
It'd be a curious experiment. How about defense? The sheer amount of R&D & procurement programs boil down to subsidies as well. Quick search estimates well over $100B a year for what amounts to defense subsidies which is more than ag, fossil fuels and renewables combined.

Subsidies are obviously complex and arguably useful in stabilizing the economy along with promoting progress. I'm probably not in the nuke'm all camp but smart reductions might not be the worst thing.
I don't see how infrastructure, defense ... are "subsidies." You get something in return for your money. Subsidies prop-up otherwise unprofitable sectors. In the case of farming/green industries, it's rent-seeking.
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Old 10-10-2025 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
I don't see how infrastructure, defense ... are "subsidies." You get something in return for your money. Subsidies prop-up otherwise unprofitable sectors. In the case of farming/green industries, it's rent-seeking.
You do know part of the "China is advancing in infrastructure and tech" part is also investing in renewable energy right? Idk man, energy independence sounds pretty important to me in the nationals security list.
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Old 10-10-2025 | 08:21 AM
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Well we could've been also investing in infrastructure here but big guhbment bad.
need to get back to work on that high speed rail project in CA and end all the pollution put out by aircraft and cars.
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Old 10-10-2025 | 08:53 AM
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need to get back to work on that high speed rail project in CA and end all the pollution put out by aircraft and cars.
There is absolutely no reason we shouldn't have high speed rail between our largest metro areas. It's a no brainer
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Old 10-10-2025 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
I don't see how infrastructure, defense ... are "subsidies." You get something in return for your money. Subsidies prop-up otherwise unprofitable sectors. In the case of farming/green industries, it's rent-seeking.
things i like are smart investment in national security. things i don’t like are pork legislation meant to buy votes.


is eviscerating our farming capacity and concentrating what’s left in the hands of agribusiness conglomerates a good national security move? one could argue that it leaves you dependent on food imports
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