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Old 10-10-2025 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by vinny7
What about when the windmill gearbox explodes and 500 gallons of oil gets spilled on the ground
That only happens during catastrophic failures and those are extremely rare. Way more common is a slow leak.
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Old 10-10-2025 | 05:40 PM
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Well, I said noisy, not loud.

And yes, IMO, wind farms ruin the landscape. There are better ways, and I’m not a fan. It’s JMO, and it won’t ever change.

Totally agree about Nuclear. It’s a very clean source of limitless energy. Obviously the downside is the wasted but we have good ways of dealing with that.
Ruin the landscape? Have you seen open pit coal mines? Coal towers?

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Old 10-10-2025 | 05:43 PM
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Of course, there are variances depending on where they are (how consistent is the wind), and local electricity costs, as well as how remote/expensive it was to build. But months? Not even close. Wind farms take from 10-12 years to pay for themselves.
Try again. More like 7-10 years financial ROI average and I said in terms of energy production recapture is mere months.

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Old 10-10-2025 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by vinny7
What about when the windmill gearbox explodes and 500 gallons of oil gets spilled on the ground
Gearbox failures do happen but they are orders of magnitude more infrequent and less severe than other means of energy production issues. Wind energy remains one of the cleanest means of energy production.
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Old 10-10-2025 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by bluejuice71
That only happens during catastrophic failures and those are extremely rare. Way more common is a slow leak.
i wonder if other types of power plants ever have polluting leaks…
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Old 10-10-2025 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by vinny7
What about when the windmill gearbox explodes and 500 gallons of oil gets spilled on the ground
Christ more oil is spilled into the ground by daily tanker truck crashes then windmills in a year

Lets not even talk about how much pipelines leak
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Old 10-11-2025 | 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by velosnow
Gearbox failures do happen but they are orders of magnitude more infrequent and less severe than other means of energy production issues. Wind energy remains one of the cleanest means of energy production.
Originally Posted by OOfff
i wonder if other types of power plants ever have polluting leaks…
Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey
Christ more oil is spilled into the ground by daily tanker truck crashes then windmills in a year

Lets not even talk about how much pipelines leak
Working out well for Europe, that's why they are scrambling to build conventional power plants over there.

They really enjoy the rolling blackouts
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Old 10-11-2025 | 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
Working out well for Europe, that's why they are scrambling to build conventional power plants over there.

They really enjoy the rolling blackouts
Your media bias is showing

https://www.npr.org/2025/10/08/nx-s1...newable-energy
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Old 10-11-2025 | 05:46 AM
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Well we could've been also investing in infrastructure here but big guhbment bad.
Just to add a bit to your comment, which was in response to a comment regarding China.

From a Foreign Affairs article by Dan Wang & Arthur Kroeber; "The Real China Model". First, a few facts.
Over the past 30 years China :
Has built a national express network twice the length of America's interstate system.
A high speed train network with more miles of track than the rest of the world combined.
A network of modern ports. The largest, Shanghai, moves more cargo in some years than al U.S. ports put together.
(the biggie)China generates more electricity each year than the U.S. and the EU combined. (a modern electric grid with lots of battery storage capability)
In 2024 China made75% of EVs, had 40% of EV exports, and a lock on the solar power supply chain.

To summarize a few points from a 14 page article.
With an industrial policy they have created the deep infrastructure required to become a resilient technological powerhouse.
A massive trained, experienced workforce that now has advanced manufacturing knowledge.
Powerful electricity and digital networks. Which now. along with 70 million managers, engineers, and workers with decades of process knowledge, is a motor of industrial innovation
The U.S. can't compete because it lacks the infrastructure that China has.
U.S. leadership has attempted to use tools such as export controls etc. to halt/slow China's momentum. A massive mistake. "They are sending lawyers into an engineering fight."

My takes:
the USA will fall behind in AI due to the simple fact that we lack the ability to generate the electrical power it requires. (plus ever increasing power supply diverted to mine cryptocurrency)
One thing China IS NOT investing in is cryptocurrency. They are not pouring financial resources into 'pet rocks'.
Another thing is they have, so far, managed to avoid having a financial sector call the shots. Finance and financing is used to provide capital for tangible reality.
A financial sector economy becomes a house of cards. (In the USA, currently finance mostly finances finance). It creates psuedo purchasing power and prevents our grasping the reality of the economy.

China recognizes that the underlying cause of manufacturing downturns and financial crises is increasing scarcity, lower quality, and much more cost of the 58 critical resources required by industrial civilization. They are using these nonrecurring natural resources as quickly as possible to build their infrastructure prior to other countries getting them.
It will put them in charge once other nations realize that the increased pressures from resource depletion have priced them out of the market of physical reality. Leaving them to play with financial gimmicks, clever computer games and monopoly money.


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Old 10-11-2025 | 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by MaxQ
Just to add a bit to your comment, which was in response to a comment regarding China.

From a Foreign Affairs article by Dan Wang & Arthur Kroeber; "The Real China Model". First, a few facts.
Over the past 30 years China :
Has built a national express network twice the length of America's interstate system.
A high speed train network with more miles of track than the rest of the world combined.
A network of modern ports. The largest, Shanghai, moves more cargo in some years than al U.S. ports put together.
(the biggie)China generates more electricity each year than the U.S. and the EU combined. (a modern electric grid with lots of battery storage capability)
In 2024 China made75% of EVs, had 40% of EV exports, and a lock on the solar power supply chain.

To summarize a few points from a 14 page article.
With an industrial policy they have created the deep infrastructure required to become a resilient technological powerhouse.
A massive trained, experienced workforce that now has advanced manufacturing knowledge.
Powerful electricity and digital networks. Which now. along with 70 million managers, engineers, and workers with decades of process knowledge, is a motor of industrial innovation
The U.S. can't compete because it lacks the infrastructure that China has.
U.S. leadership has attempted to use tools such as export controls etc. to halt/slow China's momentum. A massive mistake. "They are sending lawyers into an engineering fight."

My takes:
the USA will fall behind in AI due to the simple fact that we lack the ability to generate the electrical power it requires. (plus ever increasing power supply diverted to mine cryptocurrency)
One thing China IS NOT investing in is cryptocurrency. They are not pouring financial resources into 'pet rocks'.
Another thing is they have, so far, managed to avoid having a financial sector call the shots. Finance and financing is used to provide capital for tangible reality.
A financial sector economy becomes a house of cards. (In the USA, currently finance mostly finances finance). It creates psuedo purchasing power and prevents our grasping the reality of the economy.

China recognizes that the underlying cause of manufacturing downturns and financial crises is increasing scarcity, lower quality, and much more cost of the 58 critical resources required by industrial civilization. They are using these nonrecurring natural resources as quickly as possible to build their infrastructure prior to other countries getting them.
It will put them in charge once other nations realize that the increased pressures from resource depletion have priced them out of the market of physical reality. Leaving them to play with financial gimmicks, clever computer games and monopoly money.
It's always deeply annoyed me that the conversation around renewable energy in this country always revolves around climate impact and never as a national security priority.
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