Union efforts during shutdown
11-05-2025 | 12:09 PM
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11-05-2025 | 01:22 PM
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If a King Air uses the same services as a 777, why should it pay less just because it uses less fuel?
11-05-2025 | 03:57 PM
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Does a King Air need a 10,000 ft runway? Does it need wide-taxiways? Does it need a CAT 3 approach? Does it need a runway that's 18" thick designed to handle the weight bearing of a B777 when it's 1/10 the weight?
It's all hard to define what an airplane needs and needs to be charged for? If you start charging everyone for an IFR approach.. people are going to scud-run...
11-05-2025 | 08:34 PM
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The only thing that will ever be put on the table by politicians is user fees in addition to fuel tax.
2. A typical king air consumes far less airport/ATC resources and airspace on a flight than a 777 does. If you truly don’t understand this, I don’t know what to tell you… besides maybe turn in your certs.
11-05-2025 | 08:37 PM
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Define "services".
Does a King Air need a 10,000 ft runway? Does it need wide-taxiways? Does it need a CAT 3 approach? Does it need a runway that's 18" thick designed to handle the weight bearing of a B777 when it's 1/10 the weight?
It's all hard to define what an airplane needs and needs to be charged for? If you start charging everyone for an IFR approach.. people are going to scud-run...
Does a King Air need a 10,000 ft runway? Does it need wide-taxiways? Does it need a CAT 3 approach? Does it need a runway that's 18" thick designed to handle the weight bearing of a B777 when it's 1/10 the weight?
It's all hard to define what an airplane needs and needs to be charged for? If you start charging everyone for an IFR approach.. people are going to scud-run...
11-06-2025 | 02:55 AM
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why should someone making $10 mil/year pay more in federal and state taxes than another who makes $10 grand/year?
11-06-2025 | 06:40 AM
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ATC services (clearances, vectors, separation ..)
These can be (and currently are) captured by landing fees. Completely separate from ATC user fees.
Right now the airlines are subsidizing GA by a wide and unfair margin via the fuel tax. Users should pay for what they use.
Right now the airlines are subsidizing GA by a wide and unfair margin via the fuel tax. Users should pay for what they use.
11-06-2025 | 06:43 AM
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1. You are naive and live in a dream world where you think that you could offer user fees and get your fuel tax back.
The only thing that will ever be put on the table by politicians is user fees in addition to fuel tax.
2. A typical king air consumes far less airport/ATC resources and airspace on a flight than a 777 does. If you truly don’t understand this, I don’t know what to tell you… besides maybe turn in your certs.
The only thing that will ever be put on the table by politicians is user fees in addition to fuel tax.
2. A typical king air consumes far less airport/ATC resources and airspace on a flight than a 777 does. If you truly don’t understand this, I don’t know what to tell you… besides maybe turn in your certs.
But you haven't explained why taxing fuel is the most fair solution. You've just resorted to ad hominems. Let's take two flights from NYC to MIA. One is a Citation and it burns 6,000 pounds of fuel. The other is a 777 and it burns 60,000 pounds. Do you really think the 777 was 10x the burden on ATC?
User fees are successfully used in Canada, UK and Germany.
https://freakonomics.com/podcast/is-...system-broken/
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11-06-2025 | 06:45 AM
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