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Puddytatt 12-15-2025 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 3980920)
I do not. No one is suggesting giving away things for free, like the batch size giveaway. But this current status is not how things should be. QS will help...I hope.

There are literally multiple people, on this very thread, wanting to give away both OOBWS and auto-accept. For free.

GutterGuard 12-15-2025 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 3980753)
Auto accept should mean you own it and must fly it.

Stupid ideas for $500 please, Alex.

Khantahr 12-15-2025 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by Puddytatt (Post 3980951)
There are literally multiple people, on this very thread, wanting to give away both OOBWS and auto-accept. For free.

Many people would benefit by giving one or both of those away "for free" because they would be able to get premium trips again, while right now they're getting screwed.

I don't think we should give them away for free, because they do give us some leverage (how much is debatable). Something needs to change though, because the current situation is untenable. QS will probably help and can't come fast enough.

SideStickMonkey 12-15-2025 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by Puddytatt (Post 3980951)
There are literally multiple people, on this very thread, wanting to give away both OOBWS and auto-accept. For free.

For free?

Doubt that

GutterGuard 12-15-2025 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 3980920)
No one is suggesting giving away things for free, like the batch size giveaway. But this current status is not how things should be. QS will help...I hope

No one, you say?


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 3980753)
Auto accept should mean you own it and must fly it.


Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey (Post 3979558)
23M7 needs to go away. Renegotiate batch sizes and get rid of auto-accept.

Oh, and OOBWS disappears from the 23.O ladder


Originally Posted by All 5 Stages (Post 3979800)
Eliminating OOBWS kills most farmers, yields faster trip coverage, preserves seniority, and the Company saves 33.33% (repeating, of course). Big losers are the farmers.

A5S

That's only the last 5 out of 164 pages of people offering up our contractually negotiated benefits for nothing in exchange.

Xray678 12-15-2025 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by Khantahr (Post 3980958)
Many people would benefit by giving one or both of those away "for free" because they would be able to get premium trips again, while right now they're getting screwed.

I don't think we should give them away for free, because they do give us some leverage (how much is debatable). Something needs to change though, because the current situation is untenable. QS will probably help and can't come fast enough.

QS will help, but it won’t solve the problems. I agree with making auto accept/auto acknowledge the same. You select it you got it. That would fix a lot of the problems.

GutterGuard 12-15-2025 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 3980992)
QS will help, but it won’t solve the problems. I agree with making auto accept/auto acknowledge the same. You select it you got it. That would fix a lot of the problems.

Here's another suggestion to get rid of auto accept for free.

Xray678 12-15-2025 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by GutterGuard (Post 3980996)
Here's another suggestion to get rid of auto accept for free.

Did I say get rid of it? Nope. I said it should be combined with auto acknowledge. Either that or only allow auto accept when asking for a specific rotation. I have even heard suggestions that it should not be allowed inside of 12 or maybe 24 hours. But auto accept for a blanket slip should not be allowed. All it does is gum up the works with pilots who have no intention of flying that trip.

ancman 12-15-2025 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by Puddytatt (Post 3980951)
There are literally multiple people, on this very thread, wanting to give away both OOBWS and auto-accept. For free.

And unfortunately DH and the previous MEC succumbed to that very vocal minority, justifying the incompetent batch size giveaway as “a response to member feedback”.

I am cautiously optimistic that the current MEC is far more shrewd and understanding of the value involved.

SideStickMonkey 12-15-2025 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by GutterGuard (Post 3980969)
No one, you say?

That's only the last 5 out of 164 pages of people offering up our contractually negotiated benefits for nothing in exchange.

Curious about your reading comprehension then.

Reread my post you quoted. When I say "renegotiate", what does that mean? Or getting rid of 23M7?

Do you think if we wanted to get rid of 23M7 that would be a concession?


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