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notEnuf 12-15-2025 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 3981002)
Did I say get rid of it? Nope. I said it should be combined with auto acknowledge. Either that or only allow auto accept when asking for a specific rotation. I have even heard suggestions that it should not be allowed inside of 12 or maybe 24 hours. But auto accept for a blanket slip should not be allowed. All it does is gum up the works with pilots who have no intention of flying that trip.

Wrong, it allows people to exercise their seniority without nuisance calls and icrew hawking.

Khantahr 12-15-2025 08:11 AM

Unless people actually say "give away x for free," they don't necessarily mean give it up for nothing in return.

SideStickMonkey 12-15-2025 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3981009)
Wrong, it allows people to exercise their seniority without nuisance calls and icrew hawking.

Auto-accept in it's current form is gumming up the works. I personally don't want to see auto-accept go away but there needs to be a better way to do this.


Originally Posted by Khantahr (Post 3981014)
Unless people actually say "give away x for free," they don't necessarily mean give it up for nothing in return.

Correct, it's a disingenuous statement to make.

Xray678 12-15-2025 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3981009)
Wrong, it allows people to exercise their seniority without nuisance calls and icrew hawking.

No. Auto accept is messing up the coverage process so much people’s seniority is being violated.

ancman 12-15-2025 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by Khantahr (Post 3981014)
Unless people actually say "give away x for free," they don't necessarily mean give it up for nothing in return.

Except that’s exactly what the MEC did a couple years ago when a few pilots started shouting “no more batch sizes”.

notEnuf 12-15-2025 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey (Post 3981015)
Auto-accept in it's current form is gumming up the works. I personally don't want to see auto-accept go away but there needs to be a better way to do this.



Correct, it's a disingenuous statement to make.

Why people are seeing this as an auto accept problem and not as batch size, crew scheduling staffing and training, and company choice to exploit 23M7 issue is beyond me. These are the root of the problem, auto accept is just the coping mechanism pilots have used to avoid the failures and exploitation being done by the company.

SideStickMonkey 12-15-2025 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by ancman (Post 3981020)
Except that’s exactly what the MEC did a couple years ago when a few pilots started shouting “no more batch sizes”.

I don't remember any pilots shouting that.

And of that MEC, one was recalled and most of the others were eventually voted out.

GutterGuard 12-15-2025 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 3981002)
Did I say get rid of it? Nope. I said it should be combined with auto acknowledge. Either that or only allow auto accept when asking for a specific rotation. I have even heard suggestions that it should not be allowed inside of 12 or maybe 24 hours. But auto accept for a blanket slip should not be allowed. All it does is gum up the works with pilots who have no intention of flying that trip.

Combining auto accept with auto acknowledge is literally getting rid of auto accept.

You're clearly another one of those people who doesn't understand the difference in utility.

Schwanker 12-15-2025 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by Schwanker (Post 3979625)
I'm sure I'm missing something here, but would it work to pay all pilots in the affected category a portion of each M7 payment at the end of each month? This would eliminate any 23M7 payment to any OOBWS or anyone else not in the category of the rotation.

Example: a 23M7 payment is due because of a an ATL 320B rotation. All ATL320B pilots share in the 23M7 payout and only ATL320B pilots. To protect seniority, 50% of the total monthly payout could be equal across the entire category, the other 50% could take seniority into account where the #1 guy gets twice the amount as the plug. This would eliminate the incentive for farmers, especially out of base farmers and hopefully lead to less chaos covering trips. Just a thought.

Posted this before with little feedback. I would think this would put an end to the farming issue which would lead to more efficient trip coverage. It would also save the company huge coin which should provide leverage for gains elsewhere.

ancman 12-15-2025 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 3981019)
No. Auto accept is messing up the coverage process so much people’s seniority is being violated.

The agreed upon solution to that is literally the title of this thread.


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