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SideStickMonkey 12-15-2025 11:08 AM
Originally Posted by Frank Grimes (Post 3981113)
There’s been many times where I get one that starts with a DH. You can DDH and make it just fine.
Plus OOBWS goes before SC in 23.O.

So I would not be in favor of your suggestion.
We both get one vote

GutterGuard 12-15-2025 11:22 AM
Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey (Post 3981110)
I made the suggestion earlier that OOBWS should be removed from the 23.O ladder completely
No.

10Char

hockeypilot44 12-15-2025 11:29 AM
Originally Posted by GutterGuard (Post 3981034)
The real question is why so many pilots are so adamantly willing to give away their leverage.

This is exactly what benefits the company. Sow discord amongst the pilot group to surreptitiously reduce our leverage as we approach section 6.
Maybe because we are getting nothing. We used to get premium flying. Now we aren’t getting anything. I don’t blame our pilots one bit. The company never should have let the scheduling department collapse. It’s great that pilots are getting paid to do nothing. Good for them. Meanwhile pilots like myself are getting hosed. I tried to pick up IA’s today that should have gone to me via GS. Watched them both go to pilots thousands of numbers junior while sitting on hold for 30 plus minutes. I never did get through to scheduling. Just gave up after trips were covered.


THIS IS A REAL PROBLEM FOR MAJORITY OF OUR PILOTS. I am ready to cash in our leverage to fix it ASAP.

tennisguru 12-15-2025 11:35 AM
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3981126)
Maybe because we are getting nothing. We used to get premium flying. Now we aren’t getting anything. I don’t blame our pilots one bit. The company never should have let the scheduling department collapse. It’s great that pilots are getting paid to do nothing. Good for them. Meanwhile pilots like myself are getting hosed. I tried to pick up IA’s today that should have gone to me via GS. Watched them both go to pilots thousands of numbers junior while sitting on hold for 30 plus minutes. I never did get through to scheduling. Just gave up after trips were covered.


THIS IS A REAL PROBLEM FOR MAJORITY OF OUR PILOTS. I am ready to cash in our leverage to fix it ASAP.
QS will fix this problem. I'm in the same boat. I can always get a good G#1 as a 3-5 day trip. Still can, but I also used to be able to get G#2 or even 3 as some crappy turns or day trips that no one else wanted. Now those types of trips are almost exclusively covered via IA, which I generally miss out on, plus I'm not senior enough to ever get 23m7. I will be much happier when QS are implemented and I can get back to holding premium trips that my seniority affords. Between the pay + banked PB days I'm missing out on every month I can't win the IA roulette wheel I miss out on 4-5k in earnings.

Frank Grimes 12-15-2025 11:35 AM
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3981126)
Maybe because we are getting nothing. We used to get premium flying. Now we aren’t getting anything. I don’t blame our pilots one bit. The company never should have let the scheduling department collapse. It’s great that pilots are getting paid to do nothing. Good for them. Meanwhile pilots like myself are getting hosed. I tried to pick up IA’s today that should have gone to me via GS. Watched them both go to pilots thousands of numbers junior while sitting on hold for 30 plus minutes. I never did get through to scheduling. Just gave up after trips were covered.


THIS IS A REAL PROBLEM FOR MAJORITY OF OUR PILOTS. I am ready to cash in our leverage to fix it ASAP.
I say ALPA post the deal maker names publicly, it will be the IA Scrape list, cause it’s not to the serious level of a Scab :)

gloopy 12-15-2025 11:44 AM
Originally Posted by Frank Grimes (Post 3981129)
I say ALPA post the deal maker names publicly, it will be the IA Scrape list, cause it’s not to the serious level of a Scab :)
A better solution would be to slowly audit the tapes and pay every “deal maker” pilot minimum wage with no rigs for their poached flying and put the rest of the original pay into a pot to divide among us all at the end of the year. Enjoy that $150 Four day trip you just flew while we look forward to a bonus at the end of the year.

Meme In Command 12-15-2025 12:18 PM
Originally Posted by ancman (Post 3981090)
That part I understand, but 25-05 solves many of the issues causing division once implemented.
No it won't. Sure, QS will go out on seniority order, but they don't disincentivizes 23M7 farming. So then everyone will be angry that there's no GS, and everyone with a QS submitted is essentially going to be getting a category wide no batch size phone call for a slip that has no auto acknowledge.

ancman 12-15-2025 12:24 PM
Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 3981140)
No it won't. Sure, QS will go out on seniority order, but they don't disincentivizes 23M7 farming. So then everyone will be angry that there's no GS, and everyone with a QS submitted is essentially going to be getting a category wide no batch size phone call for a slip that has no auto acknowledge.
That’s as good as it’s going to get without giving away concessions, and without negotiating a more balanced solution in section 6 that takes into account the sheer value of 23M7 / auto-accept.

Those are problems the MEC should have considered before giving away batch sizes. In the meantime, manage your phone’s DND settings. QS will have a leveling mechanism, which will offer some degree of predictability as to when it will be “your turn”.

OpsCheckOK 12-15-2025 12:48 PM
Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3981028)
because the twelve minute timer means that 40 auto accepts delays trip coverage by 8 hours minimum.


you could staff ten schedulers per pilot and that would still be true. you could make batch sizes of one and it would still be true.

now, it is a chicken-or-the-egg situation where large batch sizes caused pilots to start auto-accepting, but if the company quit doing large batches, you wouldn’t pull your auto accept, so we’re stuck with that delay, irrespective of “crew scheduling training and staffing” and batch sizes.
100% This!!

CBreezy 12-15-2025 12:49 PM
Originally Posted by ancman (Post 3981146)
That’s as good as it’s going to get without giving away concessions, and without negotiating a more balanced solution in section 6 that takes into account the sheer value of 23M7 / auto-accept.

Those are problems the MEC should have considered before giving away batch sizes. In the meantime, manage your phone’s DND settings. QS will have a leveling mechanism, which will offer some degree of predictability as to when it will be “your turn”.
What I find just ironic about this argument is if you wait until Section 6, you'll never know exactly what we got got for it. Doing it outside section 6 is quite literally the only way you'll see the true value of the trade


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