thanks for the correction.

question about it all close-in, though: would you have to be rested prior to a vas period,

in which case much of the good weather day coverage would still be unable to be vas’d without more waste than 23m7?

there’s nothing that has been “written into compliance” that you can name. what is legal now that previously was not?

The average Joe flying the line doesn't even know that there are farmers at all.

The coverage ladder is just fine, it doesn't need to be "re-worked" and if you think so I don't think you'll like the outcome of that ("we never thought they would do that to us" comes to mind years down the road).

It's apparent here many don't understand VAS. Puddytatt has explained it to you I would as well, but he's already mentioned it now twice in what is written in 23. EE

The company has made the conscious decision to soak trips until close in then hit the IA panic button. "We" (as a collective group) happily gobble them up. So wash-rinse-repeat. Someone has to break the death spiral here, it sure won't be the company. They are under staffed on both pilots and CS folks so they found a workable short cut rather than doing the right thing and hire more people. Myself and others have pointed that out as root cause many times already. The farmers are going to farm, it's really nothing new. Just happens more frequently now due to the actions of CS hitting the IA button. How do you change behavior? There's a simple answer to that. DALPA is trying to make it more costly using the IA panic button via 25-05 as well as trying to get some semblance of seniority respected in the process. How it plays out remains to be seen. Re-working the coverage ladder in my opinion is a not so good idea.

I think they are a symptom of the problem and I would be doing the same if able. The problem is the company's refusal to use the tools available in a timely manner. Why, I have no idea. My guess is to create the environment they would like to draw out section 6 and gain a few years on the PWA. Somehow we have crisis after crisis just as we are preparing for section 6. It's quite the coincidence, really. :D

I have yet to meet a single pilot, most of whom are "average Joes," who is not aware of 23m7 farming.

You're all over the map with what you think are rebuttals. All because you are operating from the perspective that this was done well. Just ask yourself if it really needed doing?

as i’ve said, i’m not arguing it was or was not.

i’m asking you to explain what was written into compliance. what, specifically, is compliant now that wasn’t compliant prior to the signing of this mou?

The last guy I flew with didn't even know that 23M7 exists, let alone that people farm it. Many, many people just fly their schedule and go home, never to think about work again until their next scheduled trip.

No, people see there's plenty of open time and yet they're not getting called for greenslips.