So you are saying that writing the company into compliance is inevitable and acceptable? In other words the company can do anything they want we are just supposed to extract a fee. That's a slippery slope.

Unironically, yes.

Regret never being able to sit left seat in that thing.

"Boeing builds airplanes, McDonald Douglass builds character".

Those who know, know.

Hitler bids the Mad Dog.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFxyzCyGoWk

I don't see how "properly staffing" CS is going to fix anything. If an auto-accept adds 12 minutes to the coverage process, having more schedulers stare at the clock isn't going to get trips covered faster. CS isn't the choke point.

Is there a reason the OOBWS thing is so hot right now? Did people just hear about it through the grapevine, and instead of 0-2 people doing it per category it’s now like 30-40?

But yeah to your point if you have a huge category and 40 people per open trip are doing it they are not going to ever be able to assign a res a trip. It’ll just sit there getting rejected over and over before they toss it out as an IA? Right?

Yes, the use of auto accept since it was first implemented finally reached critical mass of ruining trip coverage. Pilots love free money, and once someone figured out the loophole, word of mouth travels fast :)

I think it's because it's become a "lottery" that might hit for you. And it doesn't even need to be in your category. An OOBWS is going to collect every single person in your E/S, not just your B (sts). That will massively slow down coverage.

My gut tells me this was a reaction to batch sizes going away. Maybe we could get them back in return for no auto-accept?

Slogging through this thread (I'm not senior enough to join the party via paycheck. Plus: lazy.)

"Show me a company with a 200 page contract, and I'll show you a company that's going to get screwed by someone who actually read all 200 pages" - C Munger.

"The law prohibits many things, but contracts are made to be broken by those clever enough to find the door left ajar." - J. Giradot

"A contract is just a starting point for future litigation." - proverbial.

"If a man signs a contract without reading it, he may find himself bound by clauses he never dreamed existed. The courts will not save him from his own carelessness--NOR SHOULD THEY" - Denning.

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Personal opinion? (no one cares): At the end of the day, we all have to work together. Senior pilots exploiting loopholes now won't suffer much when they're closed in the next contract/bankruptcy.

But the junior pilots sure will. "Brotherhood" is mostly marketing.

Not especially interested in working with a management team that actively hates pilots. That seems to be the vibe we're working towards though. All so we can protect the top 5% in category or so to exploit loopholes for profit and for "leverage."

TLDR: Long term contracts are for mutual advantage, not short term gain. This is a multiple decade career for most.

Interesting to watch from the sidelines.

Fact is, a constant adversarial relationship might be the best for pilots.

this needs to be reposted on every page. Bravo.

Except almost every point is wrong

What do you think a PWA is?

Welcome to the RLA

You act like this is the first time we’ve filed a grievance or made a settlement from one