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Originally Posted by Frank Grimes (Post 3975869)

I’ll say it again slowly. Even if you automate it, it still takes 12 minutes per OOBWS auto accepter. That would take 40 hours if only 10% of the 320 category has one in. Automation would do nothing for that problem, nor would CS staffing.

Well when your batch size is 969.....oh wait....

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Originally Posted by Frank Grimes (Post 3975869)

That's akin to saying proffers are the problem. They are not, the overuse of 23M7 resulting in farming is.

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Originally Posted by RightSide (Post 3975371)

Must be a record, ATL 320 B single pilot with Nine, I repeat NINE 23M7 payouts today alone!

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Originally Posted by Extenda (Post 3975377)

Wow. So conceivably what will that pay him? Could that happen every day this month if he cleared his calendar?

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Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 3975406)

...There is a screenshot floating around where the person had 23m7 on nearly every day of the month.

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Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3975385)

Which is why we absolutely MUST have a 23M7 leveling mechanism in C26. That is beyond ridiculous.

Thankfully, ALPA is clearly already considering it, based on the survey. Cannot imagine that wasn’t a very popular suggestion. Very few can benefit on that scale to be opposed.

This is the third or fourth time I've tried bringing up this part of the MOU without gaining any traction...

23M7 should not apply to WS/OOBWS if the "harmed pilot" has already reached their WS pickup limit. Much of what is described above SHOULDN'T be happening, unless there were a lot of 23M7 greenslips.

The communication for the MOU stated the following:

"The implementation of a real-time system will more accurately determine pilot eligibility when considering a pilot’s white slip (WS) pick up limit. This automation has already been in development and demonstrated to the MEC Scheduling Committee."

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Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3975855)

so did the mou write it into compliance or do nothing to stop noncompliance?

Now I'm confused. You tell me what the MOU DID do. The MOU endorsed the current new unprecedented use of 23M7. Call that compliance or noncompliance but that's what it did. Did it meet your objective, or did it pinky promise to meet your objective?

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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo (Post 3975873)

Well when your batch size is 969.....oh wait....

Batch size doesn’t matter now, it would still take the same amount of time to clear. In fact it would take longer with smaller batch sizes

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Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3975877)

Now I'm confused. You tell me what the MOU DID do. The MOU endorsed the current new unprecedented use of 23M7.

no, it didn’t.

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Call that compliance or noncompliance but that's what it did. Did it meet your objective, or did it pinky promise to meet your objective?

i’m optimistic that the qs and guardrails on identifying harmed pilots will reduce ia madness.

again, not one thing you can name that is compliant now that wasn’t before

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Originally Posted by Frank Grimes (Post 3975878)

Batch size doesn’t matter now

So its the size of all pilots available in that ES? I don't think so Frank.

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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo (Post 3975880)

So its the size of all pilots available in that ES? I don't think so Frank.

If I have 200 pilots with OOBWS auto accept in for the 320, what does it matter if the batch size is 5 or 200? It still takes 40 hours for batch size of 200 (or longer with smaller batch sizes) to get through that step. So yes, size of pilots in a category matters.

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Originally Posted by Frank Grimes (Post 3975882)

You know we surrendered batch sizes right?

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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo (Post 3975885)

You know we surrendered batch sizes right?

Yeah, so? It doesn’t help get a trip covered faster.