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Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey
(Post 3976619)
Also realize this is in fact harming other pilots.
Yes, they are using the situation to their advantage like they are allowed. But there are consequences for other pilots. It is still and always will be a company problem, and they are the ones who need to be held to account. But in their impotent, greed-blinded rage pilots choose to blame each other instead of the ones who created and perpetuate the problem :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by jaxsurf
(Post 3976635)
Your inability to fulfill your greedy desires is not you being ‘harmed.’ Nobody is taking money out of your pocket that you have already earned.
It is still and always will be a company problem, and they are the ones who need to be held to account. But in their impotent, greed-blinded rage pilots choose to blame each other instead of the ones who created and perpetuate the problem :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey
(Post 3976630)
You need to reread your original post.
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Originally Posted by OpsCheckOK
(Post 3976631)
OK. So I take back what I said about not tearing down other pilots. There are a few that I probably am, much in the same way I would tear down anybody making deals with scheduling. I do understand one is worse and that farming is well within the PWA.They’re absolutely are people who are only out for themselves, so yeah, don’t hate the player, hate the game. I’m not mad at them at all. I’m just calling it like I see it. If you feel that’s tearing them down, so be it. But as I said, I certainly don’t begrudge those joining in after seeing the free for all that’s happening. But you do you.
can i ask you a question...if i was the last pilot in the OOBWS coverage, if i accepted that OOBWS would i be "screwing" the first in base pilot out of his GS? or would that be me simply operating IAW the PWA? i think we are talking past each other a little bit here...look trust me i get it, GS's are not going out that otherwise would. i understand your perspective. i do not understand calling people "selfish" for exploiting a move allowed by the PWA. |
Originally Posted by AlikesitR
(Post 3976636)
Its my greedy desire to not have every single trip in my base go out as an IA?
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Originally Posted by jaxsurf
(Post 3976645)
Have you ever stopped to consider that you picking up a green slip in the first place is harming the entire pilot group? Everyone loves to conveniently forget that fact when squealing about how they were ‘harmed’ by another pilot using the PWA to their advantage.
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Originally Posted by BashiChuni
(Post 3976626)
of course not that wasn't my intent they're doing what we are all doing...trying to maximize pay and minimize days worked. thats the game. we all want that.
what can the company do to fix this? 1. how about hire more pilots -> better reserve coverage. helps all of us 2. VAS? i haven't seen that used -> helps all of us. 3. let guys volunteer for more than 6 SC's -> helpful for local reserve guys 4. cover trips in open time earlier -> helps commuters 5. offer more SLV slips when coverage looks tight -> helps everyone stop throwing spears at the pilots. the company has tools to fix this...we all want jets to go out on time. this is their problem. we were all hired not to help delta smooth out trip coverage, but to fly airplanes. 2-4). Doesn't solve the problem. All behind the choke point. 5). No leveling mechanism, encourages more trip dropping from the ultra senior to clear schedules to pick up SS. Does not improve staffing and just greatly stratifies premium trip opportunities. |
Originally Posted by jaxsurf
(Post 3976635)
Your inability to fulfill your greedy desires is not you being ‘harmed.’ Nobody is taking money out of your pocket that you have already earned.
It is still and always will be a company problem, and they are the ones who need to be held to account. But in their impotent, greed-blinded rage pilots choose to blame each other instead of the ones who created and perpetuate the problem :rolleyes: Abrogation of seniority And we have pilots making side deals because of the IA free-for-all You’d have a point if there wasn’t any premium flying, but that’s far from the case. I’ve been here long enough when a GS was a once in a year opportunity. |
Originally Posted by BashiChuni
(Post 3976642)
ok we are making progress.
can i ask you a question...if i was the last pilot in the OOBWS coverage, if i accepted that OOBWS would i be "screwing" the first in base pilot out of his GS? or would that be me simply operating IAW the PWA? i think we are talking past each other a little bit here...look trust me i get it, GS's are not going out that otherwise would. i understand your perspective. i do not understand calling people "selfish" for exploiting a move allowed by the PWA. |
Originally Posted by BashiChuni
(Post 3976626)
of course not that wasn't my intent they're doing what we are all doing...trying to maximize pay and minimize days worked. thats the game. we all want that.
what can the company do to fix this? 1. how about hire more pilots -> better reserve coverage. helps all of us 2. VAS? i haven't seen that used -> helps all of us. 3. let guys volunteer for more than 6 SC's -> helpful for local reserve guys 4. cover trips in open time earlier -> helps commuters 5. offer more SLV slips when coverage looks tight -> helps everyone stop throwing spears at the pilots. the company has tools to fix this...we all want jets to go out on time. this is their problem. we were all hired not to help delta smooth out trip coverage, but to fly airplanes. A5S |
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