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Originally Posted by tennisguru
(Post 3984300)
Could be some sort of trip buyoff?
Not sure what LLCN code is but wondering if he had line checks or NH Fo evals on the plan and it just became a normal trip. Definitely doesn't appear to be anything nefarious. Just looks like training being shuffled but it was weird in that it looked like a RES assignment not LCA stuff |
Originally Posted by ancman
(Post 3984294)
It’s not a “scam”, it’s the contract. It was mutually agreed to by both sides.
Management has made numerous adjustments over the years to utilize contractual language more efficiently and extract greater benefit (for them). Is that a scam also? Was it a scam when they decided to start maximizing short calls every month, even if it meant having 30 pilots on SC in a category with 5 daily departures? |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 3984332)
When one pilots gets paid for 7 trips in one day when they only could have flown one that is a complete scam. I’m not advocating to give the money back to the company. Just that the other 6 trips be paid to other pilots.
But to call an unexpected contractual benefit a scam simply because it benefits pilots (rather than management) is disingenuous. I’d much rather see other pilots win one for once than watch management find another new way to exploit our contract against us. |
Originally Posted by ancman
(Post 3984340)
There are ways to make that more balanced without going too far in the opposite extreme — perhaps one 23M7 per available footprint.
But to call an unexpected contractual benefit a scam simply because it benefits pilots (rather than management) is disingenuous. I’d much rather see other pilots win one for once than watch management find another new way to exploit our contract against us. |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 3984343)
Again, I’m not in any way advocating for it to benefit management. If a pilot gets bypass pay that footprint should lock them out of more bypass pay for that time and other bypass trips should be paid to pilots next in line.
Fixing this would not cost the pilots money. The same amount of 23m will be paid, it will just go to the rightful pilots. |
Originally Posted by Xray678
(Post 3984359)
This has to change. I completely support a wrongfully bypassed pilot being paid. However, that pay should not have more benefits than if they had actually flown the trip. If I actually pick up and fly a white slip, I can’t pick up another over that footprint, nor can I pick up a green slip over that footprint. The current situation is completely unacceptable.
Fixing this would not cost the pilots money. The same amount of 23m will be paid, it will just go to the rightful pilots. |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 3984343)
Again, I’m not in any way advocating for it to benefit management. If a pilot gets bypass pay that footprint should lock them out of more bypass pay for that time and other bypass trips should be paid to pilots next in line.
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
(Post 3984362)
No but the scam accusation is shooting inside the circle. Nobody is scamming. They are making full use of their seniority. The problem is the over use of 23M7 no people collecting for it. Sure we can make it work more equitably but that a less immediate concern than making the company pay them correctly. If they are WSs they will fill up and the benefits move to the next. Use this capital in section 6, not waste it now for no gain.
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Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 3984363)
They are not using their seniority except for the first bypass pay in question. 7 in one day is a massive scam that directly takes money from other pilots.
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
(Post 3984368)
No it’s not. What are they doing that constitutes a scam?
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