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Meme In Command 12-04-2025 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by BashiChuni (Post 3976582)
show me where those slips they put in is not allowed according to the PWA. i'll wait.

it's a loophole being exploited. same things the company does to us. thats the game of business. don't like it? negotiate a solution.

You're very blatantly ignoring the elephant in the room: this isn't only affecting the company. This is a small minority of pilots negatively affecting everyone else in their categories.

OpsCheckOK 12-04-2025 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by BashiChuni (Post 3976584)
so you want some morality credit? i don't get your angle. congrats you hate free money. or you are junior enough to never get it. either way quit blaming the pilots who are smart enough to figure contract loopholes out.

if the company is unhappy with how pilots are using the contract that's something they can negotiate to change. it's not our job as workforce to solve managements problems for them.

You seem to need some anger management and reading comprehension classes. Congratulations on getting all hyped up over people having intelligent conversations.

FangsF15 12-04-2025 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by BashiChuni (Post 3976584)
so you want some morality credit? i don't get your angle. congrats you hate free money. or you are junior enough to never get it. either way quit blaming the pilots who are smart enough to figure contract loopholes out.

if the company is unhappy with how pilots are using the contract that's something they can negotiate to change. it's not our job as workforce to solve managements problems for them.

How many 23M7, 4F1C, or similar have you had in the last month? Honestly.

jaxsurf 12-04-2025 09:47 AM

You know what will really harm union pilots? Giving concessions to the company for free for a problem that they created and continue to perpetuate and show zero inclination of changing all because you are mad about how THE COMPANY is CHOOSING to react to a situation of their OWN creation.

Are the auto accepters making it worse? Of course, but it’s not their fault, nor their problem to solve.

You not being awarded a theoretical green slip because the company hit the 23m7 button during the WS step does not mean you were “harmed.” That’s a ridiculous notion. But sure, go ahead and take the boot licker way out and blame your fellow pilots and advocate for actual concessions, that’s real smart :rolleyes:

hockeypilot44 12-04-2025 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey (Post 3976590)
It's harming other union pilots.

Hopefully this new ARCOS fixes this and stops the 23M7 farming

What new ARCOS? I haven’t heard anything about it. Nevermind. Just checked my email. Sounds like it’s being automated. Hopefully this ends the IA’s.

OpsCheckOK 12-04-2025 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3976598)
How many 23M7, 4F1C, or similar have you had in the last month? Honestly.

He seems so jacked up about how “smart“ these pilots are that I would imagine he had quite a few. Personally, I’m not the morality police and don’t even avoid it because of that. I’m just lazy.

Meme In Command 12-04-2025 09:51 AM

"Some of you may miss out on extra premium pay opportunities so I can get paid to sit at home, but that is a sacrifice I'm willing to make"
https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2...Bwgo/giphy.gif

SideStickMonkey 12-04-2025 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3976601)
What new ARCOS? I haven’t heard anything about it.

New Scheduling Alert just came out.


BashiChuni 12-04-2025 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3976598)
How many 23M7, 4F1C, or similar have you had in the last month? Honestly.

zero. there are about 20ish pilots senior to me (from looking at the arcos callout log) that are playing the game.

this is about principle. that #1 guy in my category who has had 7 23m7 trips this month is doing nothing wrong. its a contract loophole that is in delta's best interest to close.

they've already started covering open time trips earlier which in the long run is helping the pilot group. you guys brow beating the farmers isn't going to solve anything. this will be solved at the negotiating table...we have the leverage and some of you are tearing down your own union members.

jaxsurf 12-04-2025 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 3976605)
"Some of you may miss out on extra premium pay opportunities so I can get paid to sit at home, but that is a sacrifice I'm willing to make"
https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2...Bwgo/giphy.gif

Which is completely beside the point because the company created this problem, continues to perpetuate the problem, has shown almost no inclination toward changing the problem, and are the ones who created and control literally all of the processes used in this scenario.


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