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SideStickMonkey 12-03-2025 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3976174)
It was unannounced and nobody was informed that input was needed and an MOU was being considered. What does the policy manual have to say about memrat? You should have just to bolster your position but you didn’t. Shadow governance sews distrust. Back to the real question, what did we get? Not what do you think we will eventually get.


And why did the MOU announcement lead with “we didn’t write them into compliance?” Hmmmm


Precedent has been grievance settlements don’t go to memrat. Yes, the policy manual has changes to PWA must go to memrat but the interpretation of that is for items outside of the grievance process.

If you don’t like that, write a resolution to change it but the PMRC doesn’t meet again for a few years.

notEnuf 12-03-2025 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey (Post 3976214)
Precedent has been grievance settlements don’t go to memrat. Yes, the policy manual has changes to PWA must go to memrat but the interpretation of that is for items outside of the grievance process.

If you don’t like that, write a resolution to change it but the PMRC doesn’t meet again for a few years.

There was a grievance about 23M7 use skipping to IAs? I thought you said that everything was in compliance.

SideStickMonkey 12-03-2025 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3976228)
There was a grievance about 23M7 use skipping to IAs? I thought you said that everything was in compliance.

I didn’t say that. I’ve been saying we have a grievance process for a reason. Sometimes that process results in a settlement because we have not had good results when it goes to mediation.

notEnuf 12-03-2025 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey (Post 3976241)
I didn’t say that. I’ve been saying we have a grievance process for a reason. Sometimes that process results in a settlement because we have not had good results when it goes to mediation.

So it wasn’t a grievance and should have been sent to memrat. The debate should have happened prior.

ohaiyo 12-03-2025 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3976086)
They could cover them earlier because someone takes on the alligator NOT closest to the boat. More people to engage will create longer approach time for the alligators.

Can you expound on this? It's unclear what you're saying would happen with a given trip that drops into open time where coverage has to be run.

SideStickMonkey 12-03-2025 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3976295)
So it wasn’t a grievance and should have been sent to memrat. The debate should have happened prior.

Do you have selective reading?

texas1970 12-03-2025 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3975750)
What part of ALPA agreed to allow the current policy to stand, don't you understand? I'm not the one who said we re-affirmed previous agreements but it's either true or not. If true then it's writing into compliance, and if not then this MOU was for nothing.

I am the one who said we re-affirmed previous agreements. We did, but it wasn’t the *only* thing we did. We got *many* other things in this MOU, but solidifying the previous agreements with stronger language was one of them.

The alternative is going to an arbitrator and hoping they rule in our favor. Arbitrators generally side with each side about half the time and try to issue non-decisions so they don’t make either side mad enough to strike them off the list. It doesn’t matter how good or bad your case is. I like the MOU solution that gives us everything we wanted (and then some) better.

The Railway Labor Act is awesome sometimes and sucks sometimes, but it is our reality and we have to live within it. We play by the government’s rules and we play the hand we are dealt. This MOU played our hand almost perfectly in my opinion.

Meme In Command 12-04-2025 06:36 AM

Sick question:

So I was below 50 hrs of sick used before the memo passed.
So if I call sick now, my look back next year will show below 50hrs regardless?

flyskisail 12-04-2025 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 3976471)
Sick question:

So I was below 50 hrs of sick used before the memo passed.
So if I call sick now, my look back next year will show below 50hrs regardless?

I don’t believe so. Your sick usage will show above 50, however the look back, which only counts towards QHCP status will not.

QHCP status being where you automatically have to provide a note for every sick call. After 120 hours in 12 bid periods, rolling.

Meme In Command 12-04-2025 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by flyskisail (Post 3976474)
I don’t believe so. Your sick usage will show above 50, however the look back, which only counts towards QHCP status will not.

QHCP status being where you automatically have to provide a note for every sick call. After 120 hours in 12 bid periods, rolling.

Noted, thank you


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