Yup I think OOBWS with AA is toast after section 6 and I bet the company will be ready to compensate us well for it. Most of the pilot group doesn't even like OOBWS. I use OOBWS quite frequently for certain DH parameters but willing to let that go to put an end to this juvenile OOBWS fishing behavior

There are people at 90% system wide getting one or two 23m7 every month. So this is patently false.

I highly doubt that

That's fine. It's happening. I personally know 3 of them.

I submit they have been very lucky then, and are probably in a tiny category. Don’t think that’s any kind of widespread.

It’s very easy for Junior to get 23M7. All that needs to happen is CS runs part of the OOBWS step, but decides to give up when it is during your acknowledgement window. It’s much more likely to happen in bigger categories actually - more opportunity. I know plenty of quite junior pilots that luck into one or two a month, which is thousands of dollars for free.

The only times the super senior pilots get 23M7 is when CS decides to not even start the step of coverage - which is most of the time - but often they do run some or most of a step before giving up and moving on.

Im not disagreeing with any of that, just saying it’s super hit or miss for Junior to get a 23M7. Just sheer luck, and nothing consistent.

Regardless, that’s about to end with QS, I suspect.

I agree, just don't say what you'd give up for it. Once you put a value on it you are potentially hurting the outcome. If too many people do that, it becomes ammo.

Negotiatiors say X is worth $$$$$ to the pilots
Screenshots say X is worth $$ to the pilots

Between some blue days and/or the ability to swap away your schedule, most senior pilots don't even need guys to take their trips.



Same.



I don't disagree generally, but save a few posters, most don't put a price tag on it. Saying I'm willing to see OOBWS move down the ladder, as long as we get something significant in return, doesn't really tell the company much. If it puts the bug in their ear, I actually hope they see it.

It is hit or miss. But if you have OOBWS in literally every single base, you're bound to get one every once in a while. That's what junior 320/73 folks are doing.