Now THAT's hilarious...

Ok fine, so there’s a handful. I’d be willing to bet <5% of 23M7 payments are going to >80% seniority.

You’re talking about something that is highly category dependent. Plenty of categories still have G’s going out on a daily basis.

For those in categories where that isn’t the case (primarily large NB categories), QS will ensure that premium still goes out in seniority order, WHILE costing the company 300%.

Additionally, as others have already said, plenty of sub-80% pilots are getting 23M7 payments. You’re throwing that assumption out there without actually looking at the data in many categories.

This is 100% management’s problem at this point. They’ll never escape the cost of their problem, nor should we let them. Yes, it likely makes sense to shift the value elsewhere in the contact. But if management tries to get out of their problem at a discount, then status quo is perfectly fine.

I’m looking at the 320. Our largest fleet. There’s 140+ OOBWS in over all the bases fishing for that 23M7 payment.

Generally there’s 1 GS for every 8-10 IAs.

And yes, I agree there is in fact really junior people getting 23M7 but the vast majority are going to page 1 and 2 of wide reports. Junior folk are making way much more because of IAs then 23M7 fishing. Of course that fishing in turn helps them get IAs because the whole coverage ladder is toast.

Yes, this is a management problem to fix and I’ve said over and over again it’s for Section 6. I hope we get massive gains for fixing the problem.

I think you hit the nail on the head perfectly.

I also hope we get a good value for selling it back. Since a PWA could take years, IMO we need instant relief on the ability of any one pilot to get multiple 23M7 payments over the same day/period. We could fix that this month and it wouldn’t be a concession in the slightest.

No one is in any way entitled to be “made whole” for getting bypassed for 7 trips on the same day that they never could have flown more than one of because physics.

The next pilot is currently entitled to that bypass money and we need an instant fix for it.

Why would the company agree to this outside of section 6?

We are hopefully going to squeeze them for everything we can get in section 6. They should be motivated to get something done in way less than two years. But they have no reason to help us for free. we just need to wind the clock and see this through. Who would have believed we'd have this much leverage for this contract cycle?

I'm all for extracting a big gain from the company in section 6 for this, but if the "status quo" continues, we'll probably have to start calling scheduling and asking them to at least run the WS step for particular trips, if we want to pickup close in trips. While some view the status quo as fine, it had degraded my QOL a quite a bit. They are getting a little better lately, but not even starting the WS step is crazy.

Why wouldn’t they? Either way they’re paying someone. This isn’t a wind the clock sub issue in the slightest. The 7 in one day “farmers” need to go away now.

For something a week out I could see the problem, but if they're skipping WS the trip is fairly close-in. Come March you're now flying it as a QS instead. Isn't that a net gain?