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crewdawg 12-05-2025 04:26 AM


Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad (Post 3976863)
No one is trying to give it away for nothing. SK said yesterday the same thing. But blindly thinking it’s only a company problem is stupid thinking. There is going to have to be something that has a mutual benefit to fix the problem, because our coverage ladder is broken and no longer exists.


Have you read some of the post on here and elsewhere? Clearly not a complete representation of the group, but sometimes the loudest voices (however much in the minority) win, just like how we got zero batch size limitations.

notEnuf 12-05-2025 06:07 AM

This is both a company and a union problem. The company’s because they can’t cover open time in a timely manner and it’s costing them some (undefined) amount of increased compensation. It’s the union’s because the company IS following the PWA just not the part the union wants. And, the backlash to moved cheese has membership wanting to sell parts of the PWA.

None of this gets solved outside section 6. The company benefits from the division while the union benefits from cost leverage. The further this continues the less each side will be to make a deal because to do so removes their leverage. In the section 6 negotiation. We need to patient for the long haul of section 6 or it will cost us all in negotiations and that will be a 3 year slog at least. Get comfortable with the current situation because there is no quick easy solution. Both sides see time as an ally.

Whoopsmybad 12-05-2025 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 3976869)
Have you read some of the post on here and elsewhere? Clearly not a complete representation of the group, but sometimes the loudest voices (however much in the minority) win, just like how we got zero batch size limitations.

Oh I’ve read them. My point is the union is not thinking the give away for nothing line. Like you said, loud voice on APC don’t represent what most people are telling their reps they want
And at least in C44, zero reps that were in office in the great batch size give away are still in office. They either all lost or decided not to run again.

Gunfighter 12-05-2025 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 3976855)
Saying the farmers are following the contract is like having your little sibling hovering a quarter inch from your face saying "I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you. Mom said not to touch you so I'm not touching you".

And again. I'm still waiting for anyone to explain to me how this is leverage on our side. Because QS is not going to stop the 23M7 farming now that it's been codified that CS can't move to the next step of coverage before identifying the harmed pilot. We got back seniority assigned premium flying at the effective cost of giving away auto accept. We gave away GS just to stop IA's

If the arbitrator says we're not touching, cut that quarter inch in half.

QS replaces the IA free for all with a system that honors seniority AND supports 23M7 farming. It's a system that generates 3X pay for trips that could be covered at 1-2X pay with proper staffing and better implementation of technology. Pilots are problem/puzzle solvers, but this isn't ours to solve!! 3X pay is leverage, end of explanation.

For the first time since bankruptcy, we finally have a provision in the contract where the phrase "We didn't think they'd do that" is in our favor. Don't solve the problem just because you want to fix something, go buy fertilizer and support your local farmers!!

Nantonaku 12-05-2025 12:58 PM

The sick time look back deal really only benefits sick use abusers. I originally thought all sick calls during this time would be erased but it is only relief on look back verification. Great for sick use abusers. It does absolutely nothing for people who don’t use sick time and are under 50 the last two sick years. Their sick calls aren’t susceptible to a verification call. It should have been all sick calls during the period are wiped from the record.

OOfff 12-05-2025 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 3977058)
The sick time look back deal really only benefits sick use abusers. I originally thought all sick calls during this time would be erased but it is only relief on look back verification. Great for sick use abusers. It does absolutely nothing for people who don’t use sick time and are under 50 the last two sick years. Their sick calls aren’t susceptible to a verification call. It should have been all sick calls during the period are wiped from the record.

imagine not using your sick time lmfao

Hotel Kilo 12-05-2025 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 3977058)
The sick time look back deal really only benefits sick use abusers. I originally thought all sick calls during this time would be erased but it is only relief on look back verification. Great for sick use abusers. It does absolutely nothing for people who don’t use sick time and are under 50 the last two sick years. Their sick calls aren’t susceptible to a verification call. It should have been all sick calls during the period are wiped from the record.

"sick use abusers"? Seriously?


Nantonaku 12-05-2025 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo (Post 3977061)
"sick use abusers"? Seriously?

Come on. Okay, “high sick use” pilots.

Nantonaku 12-05-2025 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3977060)
imagine not using your sick time lmfao

I get sick once a year. Spent a long time in a culture that believes in working hard (or long hours, not necessarily hard) and where people don’t call in sick. Sorry if you think that is funny. Only call in sick when sick or run down and tired and that isn’t often.

Hotel Kilo 12-05-2025 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 3977064)
Come on. Okay, “high sick use” pilots.

What diff does it make how much sick time one uses or not?

Show me where it's written one can not avail themselves to only a certain amount?

What's your acceptable limit to use and not be classified as a "sick use abuser"?

Feel free to tell the group.


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