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All 5 Stages 12-05-2025 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 3977024)
QS replaces the IA free for all with a system that honors seniority AND supports 23M7 farming. It's a system that generates 3X pay for trips that could be covered at 1-2X pay with proper staffing and better implementation of technology. Pilots are problem/puzzle solvers, but this isn't ours to solve!! 3X pay is leverage, end of explanation.

If the company drags its feet on implementing Quick Slips, the "cost" is paying 3x pay for covering a trip (2x for IA and 1x for OOBWS M7 farmer).

If the company implements Quick Slips and uses them next month, isn't the cost still 3x pay (2x for QS and 1x for M7)?

A5S

StoneQOLdCrazy 12-06-2025 03:36 AM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 3977065)
. Spent a long time in a culture that believes in working hard (or long hours, not necessarily hard) and where people don’t call in sick.

Irrelevant.


CBreezy 12-06-2025 04:45 AM


Originally Posted by All 5 Stages (Post 3977200)
If the company drags its feet on implementing Quick Slips, the "cost" is paying 3x pay for covering a trip (2x for IA and 1x for OOBWS M7 farmer).

If the company implements Quick Slips and uses them next month, isn't the cost still 3x pay (2x for QS and 1x for M7)?

A5S

Yes. You are correct

hockeypilot44 12-06-2025 04:56 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3977230)
Yes. You are correct

Correct. Company has no incentive to implement QS other than sick leave lookback.

This whole MOU shows how a small contractual provision can go badly. 23.M.7 went from something that was supposed to be used once or twice per year to the company covering daily trips and paying an extra pilot for doing nothing. I know it’s the company’s fault but if I was a consulting company, it would be one of first things I’d fix. It’s dumb as hell when you stand back and look at it.

notEnuf 12-06-2025 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 3977173)
Except in the situation I saw they were running GS with it went to IA, so the GS pilot showed on the 23m7 log and then 2x pay to the IA. RES SC got nothing other than the 1 hour SCC.

If they ran GS then they already got through OBWS and RES and the GS step was the holdup. I've seen OBWS becoming the dam because everyone in category around the system is eligible.

notEnuf 12-06-2025 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3977230)
Yes. You are correct

True if they skip to IA or maybe eventually QS if/when implemented. My example of skipping to SC RES yields only 23M7 pay. (1X for the skipped WS or OBWS) The reserve gets no SCC and the credit goes toward guarantee. The longer this goes the more time they have to dream up new mitigation.

Whoopsmybad 12-06-2025 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3977266)
True if they skip to IA or maybe eventually QS if/when implemented. My example of skipping to SC RES yields only 23M7 pay. (1X for the skipped WS or OBWS) The reserve gets no SCC and the credit goes toward guarantee. The longer this goes the more time they have to dream up new mitigation.

I would love to see with the QS that if they have to skip steps they have to skip all steps, not just the ones convenient ones. That would eliminate your scenario.
Nothing we have now or in the MOU requires that.

notEnuf 12-06-2025 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad (Post 3977278)
I would love to see with the QS that if they have to skip steps they have to skip all steps, not just the ones convenient ones. That would eliminate your scenario.
Nothing we have now or in the MOU requires that.

I'd love to see it too but we won't. The MOU is written and agreed to so there's that... no rush, we didn't write them into compliance, (insert generic excuse here) etc.

Gunfighter 12-06-2025 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by All 5 Stages (Post 3977200)
If the company drags its feet on implementing Quick Slips, the "cost" is paying 3x pay for covering a trip (2x for IA and 1x for OOBWS M7 farmer).

If the company implements Quick Slips and uses them next month, isn't the cost still 3x pay (2x for QS and 1x for M7)?

A5S

Yes. QS gives up zero leverage and restores some order in place of the IA free for all.

GogglesPisano 12-06-2025 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by Khantahr (Post 3977089)
Some people don't actually get sick very often. The last time I got sick was approximately two years ago. Yes that includes the common cold.

Frequent handwashers and germaphobes unite! (imagine beer emoji here.)


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