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ancman 12-17-2025 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 3982577)
You'd take $7 bucks over an 11k 3 day GS?

Lol. You really have no idea what you’re talking about. Re-read what he wrote, and what I wrote.

To address your $7 vs $11k GS example though (again, a totally separate issue), that’s not even how that would work. The communal 23M7 pot, as you’ve described it, would get paid to everyone, even if they are on vacation or working a full schedule all month / completely unavailable. So the pilot taking the $11k GS would ALSO get the $7. It’s not an either or scenario.

On days on which a pilot would otherwise not be working, they would be farming to maximize their category’s M7 payout.

GutterGuard 12-17-2025 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 3982577)
You'd take $7 bucks over an 11k 3 day GS?

I truly cannot understand your logic on this one.

notEnuf 12-17-2025 01:08 PM

I think ALPA should add a "how to" on farming to it's summer survival pub. We need to maximize this to pressure the company to settle quicker in section 6. They have already launched the first salvo with all the scheduling shenanigans. (delaying coverage to 8 hours out, preposting reserve rest, CNO of SC combined with other notification, PB wash SS etc.)

Abouttime2fish 12-18-2025 10:42 AM

So once a pilot reaches max pickup limit, they should stop being awarded 23m7 correct? And if that’s true…. then it’s not being captured in the way the process is being executed.

And I thought IAs could not be awarded to pilots above ALV? Also not being followed if true.

notEnuf 12-18-2025 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish (Post 3983038)
So once a pilot reaches max pickup limit, they should stop being awarded 23m7 correct? And if that’s true…. then it’s not being captured in the way the process is being executed.

And I thought IAs could not be awarded to pilots above ALV? Also not being followed if true.

WS yes, GS no for 23M7. IA is only the code, not a true inverse assignment. We should have a 23 code instead.

Abouttime2fish 12-18-2025 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3983052)
WS yes, GS no for 23M7. IA is only the code, not a true inverse assignment. We should have a 23 code instead.

So the average pilot has no idea what’s going on. Perfect. Hope ALPA does a lot of digging into this disaster. Same pilot has received 7 23m7 trips so far today, and counting. He’s going to have a Merry Christmas indeed.

crewdawg 12-18-2025 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish (Post 3983061)
So the average pilot has no idea what’s going on. Perfect. Hope ALPA does a lot of digging into this disaster. Same pilot has received 7 23m7 trips so far today, and counting. He’s going to have a Merry Christmas indeed.


It's worse than that. Just read on FB that someone talked to SK, who said that isn't always happening and guys are getting M7 above ALV+15. Not surprised really. It makes total sense to keep giving m7 to same "harmed" pilot over the same footprint...

Xray678 12-18-2025 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 3983064)
It's worse than that. Just read on FB that someone talked to SK, who said that isn't always happening and guys are getting M7 above ALV+15. Not surprised really. It makes total sense to keep giving m7 to same "harmed" pilot over the same footprint...

unless it’s for missed green slips, a pilot should not get 23m7 above the pick up limit.

crewdawg 12-18-2025 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 3983102)
unless it’s for missed green slips, a pilot should not get 23m7 above the pick up limit.


"Should not" is the key factor there. Basically trip coverage reports aren't always being pulled (which would exlude pilots over the pu limit), and theyre going off a list of who has slips in. The poster said they got their information straight from SK, so I tend give it credence. Yet another reasons I think you see more and more side deals happening.

hockeypilot44 12-18-2025 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 3983111)
"Should not" is the key factor there. Basically trip coverage reports aren't always being pulled (which would exlude pilots over the pu limit), and theyre going off a list of who has slips in. The poster said they got their information straight from SK, so I tend give it credence. Yet another reasons I think you see more and more side deals happening.

Today, tried again to get an IA that I would have taken as a green slip. As I was on hold, it went to a pilot 4000 numbers junior to me as A#2 for him. I’m still trying to get my first one. Is there a trick? Seriously. I sit on hold for 20 plus minutes until trip is gone every single time.

It’s great that pilots are getting paid to do nothing and trips are going out as triple pay. It doesn’t help me or pilots like me one bit.

We are being harmed financially. Trips I used to do as premium pay will now be done by me at straight pay or someone way junior at premium pay. Most likely the latter. It’s not right.


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