Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 3982525)

You could easily argue the entire category is affected every time coverage is skipped when 23M7 is used, so if that trip pay out were to be paid to the entire category, regardless of slip, then there's no incentive to submit a slip just to farm.

Originally Posted by GutterGuard (Post 3982527)

In the contrary. Your idea motivates me to start farming just to increase the pot. If we all farm, the pot gets big! Let's go, everyone! Start farmin!

Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 3982528)

how the hell am I advocating for flattening seniority when the end goal is to return premium trip coverage to the way it was, which was honoring seniority and no longer an IA free for all?

Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 3982525)

Currently, only a few farmers are making bank while the rest of the category are having a premium free for all without seniority being honored.

They skip coverage because people farm. If 23M7 isn't paying individuals and instead pays out to the entire category, there's no incentive to farm. Your buddy wouldn't have gotten 23M7 because they would've just gotten the WS.

You could easily argue the entire category is affected every time coverage is skipped when 23M7 is used, so if that trip pay out were to be paid to the entire category, regardless of slip, then there's no incentive to submit a slip just to farm. Would you rather fly the trip you submitted for or chance getting a few bucks at the end of the year?

-Youre not "giving" anything away
-it still costs the company to use it
-it still puts money in the pilot group's pockets
-theres no reason to farm
-Everyone gets something, even the harmed pilot

The only negative is the harmed pilot isn't capturing the full value of the trip they were skipped for, but if trip coverage returns to normal with the current "running a little hot" status, they'll easily be first in line for the next premium pay opportunity.

Originally Posted by ancman (Post 3982550)

You’re missing the point. Entire categories will have multiple blanket slips submitted with auto-accept on + the ARCOS number blocked in their phones, on days on which they have other plans and NO intention to fly. That’s what farming is.

Pay entire categories M7 pay equally, and everyone will have an incentive to farm on their days off. If only half of the category actually does that, the farming “problem” (in your view) will be much worse than it is today.

Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 3982551)

Ok, I want to hear what you think would disincentivize you from submitting all the slips to farm.

Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 3982525)

Would you rather fly the trip you submitted for or chance getting a few bucks at the end of the year?.

Originally Posted by Rinaldi (Post 3982566)

Call me crazy, but there are certainly times I would rather fly the trip than get pay at the end of the year, or pay to stay home. I got a call from a management pilot asking to buy my trip once. He was nice and asked vs just taking it. I told him the truth, I would rather fly my trip. He said thanks and moved on to another trip.

Originally Posted by Rinaldi (Post 3982566)

Call me crazy, but there are certainly times I would rather fly the trip than get pay at the end of the year, or pay to stay home. I got a call from a management pilot asking to buy my trip once. He was nice and asked vs just taking it. I told him the truth, I would rather fly my trip. He said thanks and moved on to another trip.

Originally Posted by ancman (Post 3982574)

Hah, I’d take the trip buy and pick something else up over it if you’re set on flying. Even the best trips here aren’t worth doing for free.