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Old 02-10-2026 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Meme In Command
Submitting a "call me for everything" slip and then getting mad when you get called for everything is peak pilot. Most of our problems get solved with using parameters.

That being said, I'd be all for eliminating the need to submit new slips every month. More pilots would put time and effort into submitting slips with parameters if:
1. They didn't have to every month
2. They were easier to "turn off/on"
Using a negotiated provision and then some rando interweb memer calling you out for COMPLYING WITH THE PWA AND RE-GRIEVED SETTLEMENT.
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Old 02-10-2026 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Using a negotiated provision and then some rando interweb memer calling you out for COMPLYING WITH THE PWA AND RE-GRIEVED SETTLEMENT.
Under which part of this re-grieved settlement is the "complaining about the consequences of my own actions" clause?
If you didn't want to get called in the middle of the night, you had the tools at your disposal long before batch sizes went away.
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Old 02-10-2026 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Meme In Command
Under which part of this re-grieved settlement is the "complaining about the consequences of my own actions" clause?
If you didn't want to get called in the middle of the night, you had the tools at your disposal long before batch sizes went away.
Yup, it's called auto accept.
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Old 02-10-2026 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Yup, it's called auto accept.
And I think you'll see a lot of us want to negotiate that away.
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Old 02-10-2026 | 02:49 PM
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And I think you'll see a lot of us want to negotiate that away.
That’s why my solution attempts to strike a balance between what we currently have and a world with no auto accept but just blasting the whole eligible category for every single step.
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Old 02-10-2026 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 20Fathoms
For WS maybe but hard no for GS. Getting woken up at 3 am while being 15th in line (and probably again at 4am when you are 14th in line etc etc) would get old really fast. Keeping AA for GS only and perhaps shortening the window a bit would solve 99 percent of the problem.

In exchange for no other concessions and a massive quid in section 6 of course.
Isn’t that what’s happening now? You do realize there are do not call hours on slip? You could also (sigh) take your slip out.


Also we have not always had auto accept. We always had auto acknowledge.
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Old 02-10-2026 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Isn’t that what’s happening now? You do realize there are do not call hours on slip? You could also (sigh) take your slip out.
Why would I do that? I don’t farm, I don’t WS ever, but I actually fly GS. If I don’t put it a slip, I don’t get one. I’m fine getting woken up in the middle of the night for GS that are mine. I’m not fine getting woken up for someone else’s GS.

Edit: Just saw you add your second point, the only time I can remember not having auto accept was the old way of calling one pilot at a time. It was not auto acknowledge for GS because there’s no getting out of auto acknowledge; in the old days if you took no action the trip was removed with no penalty. You’re right that that’s how it was for WS.

I’m 100 percent fine going back to that way for what it’s worth.

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Old 02-10-2026 | 05:26 PM
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That’s why my solution attempts to strike a balance between what we currently have and a world with no auto accept but just blasting the whole eligible category for every single step.
The problem is that most categories are so large now that even with bringing batch sizes back, it will still take many, many hours to reach deep into the green slip step of coverage. Now that pilots are aware of the advantages of having auto accept on, they will certainly be aware of the same advantages were batch sizes to be reintroduced (being the senior-most pilot of the skipped batch = 23M7 pilot). At a batch size acceptable to most pilots, it will still take forever to cover trips. A320 OOBWS could have hundreds of pilots to get through.

The only ways to actually speed up trip coverage through the IBGS step without increasing nuisance phone calls are to either reduce the acknowledgement window timeframe from 12 minutes to something far shorter, or to move the OOBWS step to after IBGS. And I don’t support either without substantial concessions from the company.

This might well be an unpopular view, but I don’t think trip coverage is a disaster for us, especially with quick slips incoming. Quick slips will ensure seniority is respected, and the company will pay 3x for the inconvenience of being called in a big batch if you want them. Trips will be covered within 12 minutes, rather than current IA calls where wait times are unknown and a total crapshoot.

I think we should stop trying to figure out how to solve the company’s problem and let the negotiating committee decide how they want to approach it in section 6. We will all get to vote on whatever is agreed to.
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Old 02-10-2026 | 05:51 PM
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Hey, look! Another argument about auto-accept!

I'm sure the negotiating committee will take these particular thoughts to heart!

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Old 02-10-2026 | 05:51 PM
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While we are throwing out ideas for the NC to put a $$ on, here is a one call and done approach. Accept/Acknowledge together, just like the "good ol days".

Batch size of 1, sequentially called in seniority order every X minutes until someone accepts/acknowledges. Set X according to time until report. Close in, calls go out every minute. Further out calls fire off every 2,3,4 minutes. Worst case is 11 pilots interrupted for a trip they can't hold because #1 took 12 minutes to accept/acknowledge. Further out only 3-5 pilots interrupted without a chance at the trip. No blasting 10-100 at a time. Calls can be further restricted during base night time.

The programming is complex. It would take an intern an entire day with OpenAI Codex to complete the ARCOS project and then a team of Amish IT craftsmen another month to hammer and chisel it into DBMS.
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