Exactly. Most companies don’t level premium pay, nor require meeting a trigger. Drop leveling doesn’t exist anywhere.

The suggestion that seniority be watered down further at Delta is comical.

 

Yeah.. compared to United, this pilot group is very egalitarian. Over there all premium pay is in seniority order, no leveling mechanism, no trigger. Jumpseat is seniority based too. A senior pilot can show up 15 minutes prior and kick you off. I like our way much better.... until I'm senior

Edit: anc beat me to it and said pretty much the same thing.

 

Agreed, I think we've watered down seniority more than any other legacy. I remember when it told a UAL buddy that on the WB here, the Captain usually dolls out who gets the landings. Dude looked at me like I had two heads. They have specific rotations for FO and bunkie, so he said dudes would lose their minds if a Capt tried to do that.

Their duty pilot is also a CA only position. Not sure about sim IP positions, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was a senior thing as well.

 

Let's let management deal with their self created problems. They chose to go straight to the assignment phase violating 23N/O long before the insinuated farming was a thing. The only reason you think/know it exists because since MOU 25-05 the 23M7 log is legally being enforced. They have been put on notice.

Prior to this it was the wild-west. I'd file ACE reports if I saw something fishy to make sure the right person got paid when I was bypassed. Now you see who got paid automatically. As recently as last year it was hit or miss wether they'd publish the harmed pilots name.

Full disclosure I've been paid 41 hours of 23M7 pay in my career at Delta. It's not as lucrative as many think. I've been passed over countless times on trips I was willing to fly, with schedulers telling me my union agreed to this provision. Very frustrating. I don't mind coming to work.

The reality is that your career has phases. As a jr guy you hope to just progress to a line, then better trips, then qol, etc.. Meme in command's and others position will change as their seniority increases. It's a natural paradigm shift.

Hopefully, the union uses this as leverage during this section 6 for the collective good.

 

I agree that PDs should be sequenced or counted like GS, but it's ridiculous to think that Delta is the most seniority heavy legacy out there. Truly.

Part of the reason Delta is such a great place to work is because it is a slightly flatter curve to have a good QOL. I guess that "sucks" for the absolute top of each heap, but having seniority concentrate at the top of every BES really only benefits 1 person. The vast, vast majority of people don't want a system to work like that, and I'm glad it doesn't at Delta.

 

the irony will be when guys like him (not targeting you alone, Mr mememe) reach age 64.999 and choose to keep flying for dal. It’s the same covetousness from the bottom and the top of the seniority list- just manifest in different ways.

anyway, staying on topic: problem solvers are great, and props to the poster Who started this thread in earnest. Maybe send this idea to your rep and see what he/she thinks about it? Those guys are way more dialed in to the actual details compared to a bunch of hacks on an anonymous forum

 

you're welcome. Those who were here before you paid for this ‘flattening’ as you call it and most of us are glad we did. It attracted talent that we need in order to maintain a strong viable career at a strong viable carrier. It gets a little tedious, however, to read complaints from coworkers in that group about the faulty team they chose to join. Oh and I guess get off my lawn but that’s a phrase that is certainly not in my generation’s vernacular fwiw.

to the topic: disagree with 1xpd per pcs run. A huuuuuge advantage to dal is that we can drop an entire month if we have the seniority to do so. Comes in handy once every few years. The company would love it if we volunteered this type of concession and would sharp shoot the manning and alv and rotation construction to ensure that nobody could clear their slate after 0700 on the 21st. No thanks

 

Get rid of Auto Accept.

If you don’t want nuisance calls, don’t put in a blanket slip. Tell it the hours you don’t want calls.

Or DND.

But putting in slips, and then complaining about getting calls for trips? Get out of here.

Unreal.

It is more important for trips to be covered than it is for you to be bothered. Turn your phone off.


This is the answer.

 

Batch sizes still result in slow coverage, and in each batch you STILL have people bothered and not being awarded trips.

Batch sizes are nowhere near as big of a deal as this group would have anyone believe.

Batch sizes are simply a rally cry that makes the chest beaters feel better.

Down with AA and up with DND. That should be the rally cry.

 

The company can cover trips as fast as they’d like, they just have to pay 3x to do it.

Any other concessions you’d like to give the company for free with no return while we’re at it?