Widget Seniority Thread Drift
02-18-2026 | 02:54 PM
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Let me also add that I'm not meaning to come across as coming off the top rope on anyone. If anyone feels like I have, I apologize. I just have to give credit where it's due to Curly. He has a great product, which goes way way beyond what you can find elsewhere, and which he is continually improving. It takes a not-small amount of work. And his small fee probably barely covers his real costs of hosting the website. He's not getting rich off it (not that I'd fault him if he were). He gives a lot of groups free access, like NH's, Mil leave, disability, etc, which I have to respect.
02-18-2026 | 03:31 PM
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This is just my 2 cents, but I'm not the least bid 'concerned' about Curly's access to our SL's and AE results. Again, this is coming from someone who often clashed with him, and found his pre-retirement online persona irritating, much like 🌹 & 💵. (Though interestingly Curly was often reported by people who actually flew with him to be a great dude to fly with). I wonder if those who do take issue will feel the same way when John Bell retires. Will you find it in your heart to make an exception for him? Honestly, will you be consistent in your outrage?
Curly was employed here for 30-something years. That ought to earn him a little credibility and understanding. He's not just 'some dude', and he's not tunneling into the servers via a back door. Juuuuust a little different than Easybid (which I also miss, along with iCrewMax) Honestly, I don't even understand why retiree's access to large parts of DLnet is restricted after their retirement, to include basic 'lists'. Suddenly they aren't trustworthy? By that logic, I guess military retiree's shouldn't be able to get on base anymore? Which is, of course, silly.
I have ZERO doubt the company is fully aware of his access. Both before and after his retirement. Thus, how he gets the lists is irrelevant, frankly.
Curly was employed here for 30-something years. That ought to earn him a little credibility and understanding. He's not just 'some dude', and he's not tunneling into the servers via a back door. Juuuuust a little different than Easybid (which I also miss, along with iCrewMax) Honestly, I don't even understand why retiree's access to large parts of DLnet is restricted after their retirement, to include basic 'lists'. Suddenly they aren't trustworthy? By that logic, I guess military retiree's shouldn't be able to get on base anymore? Which is, of course, silly.
I have ZERO doubt the company is fully aware of his access. Both before and after his retirement. Thus, how he gets the lists is irrelevant, frankly.
02-18-2026 | 04:15 PM
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This sounds more and more like a personal grudge than anything against a 1 dollar a month website that people need an employee number to access…
02-18-2026 | 04:16 PM
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Now, I will acknowledge your point about ‘publishing proprietary information’ (vice accessing). John Bell‘s requirement is to log into Delta net to access the same. Currently does require a login, but it is not dependent upon Delta IT. So it is admittedly, less secure (though not unsecure).
Again, I have no doubt that the company is fully aware of Carly‘s website. Do you honestly think they are not?
02-18-2026 | 06:14 PM
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Flew with him 1 leg I think. It was during contract negotiations so we were both kinda bitching. He seemed like a good guy. Nothing at all about him seemed off or screamed dbag.
02-18-2026 | 08:31 PM
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United has the same website that is free and if you feel like donating, then you are welcome to... I feel like there's enough modern people who can put together a website that doesn't look like it's running Windows NT Server for free...
This Curly dude doesn't even fly anymore, has millions in the bank, and yet we pay his beer tab when he's 'golfing' just to see what our seniority will be? IDK seems like not enough people are missing that point.
Edit: I left IT before becoming a pilot, I refuse to do it.
02-18-2026 | 09:22 PM
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What about the part he still charges for the service?
United has the same website that is free and if you feel like donating, then you are welcome to... I feel like there's enough modern people who can put together a website that doesn't look like it's running Windows NT Server for free...
This Curly dude doesn't even fly anymore, has millions in the bank, and yet we pay his beer tab when he's 'golfing' just to see what our seniority will be? IDK seems like not enough people are missing that point.
Edit: I left IT before becoming a pilot, I refuse to do it.
United has the same website that is free and if you feel like donating, then you are welcome to... I feel like there's enough modern people who can put together a website that doesn't look like it's running Windows NT Server for free...
This Curly dude doesn't even fly anymore, has millions in the bank, and yet we pay his beer tab when he's 'golfing' just to see what our seniority will be? IDK seems like not enough people are missing that point.
Edit: I left IT before becoming a pilot, I refuse to do it.
02-19-2026 | 03:43 AM
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What about the part he still charges for the service?
United has the same website that is free and if you feel like donating, then you are welcome to... I feel like there's enough modern people who can put together a website that doesn't look like it's running Windows NT Server for free...
This Curly dude doesn't even fly anymore, has millions in the bank, and yet we pay his beer tab when he's 'golfing' just to see what our seniority will be? IDK seems like not enough people are missing that point.
Edit: I left IT before becoming a pilot, I refuse to do it.
United has the same website that is free and if you feel like donating, then you are welcome to... I feel like there's enough modern people who can put together a website that doesn't look like it's running Windows NT Server for free...
This Curly dude doesn't even fly anymore, has millions in the bank, and yet we pay his beer tab when he's 'golfing' just to see what our seniority will be? IDK seems like not enough people are missing that point.
Edit: I left IT before becoming a pilot, I refuse to do it.
NH's, widget seniority.com is worth checking out. TONS of great info available there, much, much more than just 'your seniority'. It's free until you show up on the SL with your base/equipment, which is usually the month after you show up on property, sometimes longer. After that, it's a whopping $1.67 a month. If you don't find the service of value, then don't use it, but at least check it out before deciding.
02-19-2026 | 08:55 AM
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Respectfully, you miss the point. The fact is, he has access to all the same information, and I strongly suspect everyone who uses his website will gnash their teeth if he stops when he retires, and will advocate for him to be able to continue doing so once he retires. We need to be consistent between how we view both sources of helpful information. I personally don’t mind paying a small fee to help fund the legitimate cost of hosting the website.
Now, I will acknowledge your point about ‘publishing proprietary information’ (vice accessing). John Bell‘s requirement is to log into Delta net to access the same. Currently does require a login, but it is not dependent upon Delta IT. So it is admittedly, less secure (though not unsecure).
Again, I have no doubt that the company is fully aware of Carly‘s website. Do you honestly think they are not?
Now, I will acknowledge your point about ‘publishing proprietary information’ (vice accessing). John Bell‘s requirement is to log into Delta net to access the same. Currently does require a login, but it is not dependent upon Delta IT. So it is admittedly, less secure (though not unsecure).
Again, I have no doubt that the company is fully aware of Carly‘s website. Do you honestly think they are not?
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