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Today | 10:51 AM
#501
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For any kind of a slip call, the safety onus is on the pilot, not the company. The pilot voluntarily enters a slip that says it's ok to call at 2am. The pilot voluntarily accepts the offer, and it's on the pilot to make sure they are safe to do it.
The only safety argument ALPA might have is with IA calls, and those are pretty rare now (until the gummster fire gets out of control in another couple months at least).
Should they be trying to avoid the 2am calls when possible? Absolutely! Arguing a safety/fatigue angle is a fool's errand though.
The only safety argument ALPA might have is with IA calls, and those are pretty rare now (until the gummster fire gets out of control in another couple months at least).
Should they be trying to avoid the 2am calls when possible? Absolutely! Arguing a safety/fatigue angle is a fool's errand though.
Today | 12:27 PM
#502
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For any kind of a slip call, the safety onus is on the pilot, not the company. The pilot voluntarily enters a slip that says it's ok to call at 2am. The pilot voluntarily accepts the offer, and it's on the pilot to make sure they are safe to do it.
The only safety argument ALPA might have is with IA calls, and those are pretty rare now (until the gummster fire gets out of control in another couple months at least).
Should they be trying to avoid the 2am calls when possible? Absolutely! Arguing a safety/fatigue angle is a fool's errand though.
The only safety argument ALPA might have is with IA calls, and those are pretty rare now (until the gummster fire gets out of control in another couple months at least).
Should they be trying to avoid the 2am calls when possible? Absolutely! Arguing a safety/fatigue angle is a fool's errand though.
Today | 12:48 PM
#503
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For any kind of a slip call, the safety onus is on the pilot, not the company. The pilot voluntarily enters a slip that says it's ok to call at 2am. The pilot voluntarily accepts the offer, and it's on the pilot to make sure they are safe to do it.
The only safety argument ALPA might have is with IA calls, and those are pretty rare now (until the gummster fire gets out of control in another couple months at least).
Should they be trying to avoid the 2am calls when possible? Absolutely! Arguing a safety/fatigue angle is a fool's errand though.
The only safety argument ALPA might have is with IA calls, and those are pretty rare now (until the gummster fire gets out of control in another couple months at least).
Should they be trying to avoid the 2am calls when possible? Absolutely! Arguing a safety/fatigue angle is a fool's errand though.
As far as I can tell there is zero attempt to avoid interrupting Pilot WOCLs en mass. I think there’s a case to be made that slips should all default to not being called between midnight and 5 AM and pilots seeking to offer their overtime services should have to actively waive uninterrupted sleep opportunity there. That’s what we have to do to waive the contractual protections regarding Wocl.
I’m just one pilot though. If you all think tens of thousands of sleep, ll-interrupting phone calls in the middle of the night are just the cost of doing business, so be it.
Today | 01:45 PM
#504
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This will be Delta legal’s argument in the courtroom. Personally, I wouldn’t want billions of dollars of liability to rest on that argument after a theoretical accident.
As far as I can tell there is zero attempt to avoid interrupting Pilot WOCLs en mass. I think there’s a case to be made that slips should all default to not being called between midnight and 5 AM and pilots seeking to offer their overtime services should have to actively waive uninterrupted sleep opportunity there. That’s what we have to do to waive the contractual protections regarding Wocl.
I’m just one pilot though. If you all think tens of thousands of sleep, ll-interrupting phone calls in the middle of the night are just the cost of doing business, so be it.
As far as I can tell there is zero attempt to avoid interrupting Pilot WOCLs en mass. I think there’s a case to be made that slips should all default to not being called between midnight and 5 AM and pilots seeking to offer their overtime services should have to actively waive uninterrupted sleep opportunity there. That’s what we have to do to waive the contractual protections regarding Wocl.
I’m just one pilot though. If you all think tens of thousands of sleep, ll-interrupting phone calls in the middle of the night are just the cost of doing business, so be it.
Today | 05:44 PM
#506
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no. Not the Y rotations (which also need to go away imo). These are dtw0xxx rotations that sit a while and then become atl0xxxx rotations that cover some of the same legs on the same day at the same time with the same flight number. Foul.
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