I think we should keep the pay for the skipped person. However the coverage system gets fixed, future skips are much more likely to be someone who might actually have taken the trip if they had the chance.

 

I give it like maybe no later than May 15th. If nothing by then. Uncork the long game.



You need to take this crap over to the "Economic impacts of Iran War" thread.

 

This makes sense.

Paying an inverse assignment 300 % will just drive up the shady deal making. The whole point of having a Union is to guarantee everyone on the list is treated fairly. Id rather see the penalty money divided by 17k pilots then given to the guy who can suck up the most.

 

I think we should wait for an update from the negotiating committee or MEC before we start setting deadlines for sharpening the swords. If things go south, I'm sure there will be plenty of time for that.

 

None of these ideas for more premium makes whole the white slip guy who actually wants to fly.

why should someone be penalized, essentially, for being available at straight pay and the company skip them to no fault of their own?

I and others of mid-seniority used to do this regularly.. I often can’t now because it just goes to QS

 

Almost every time I have been paid 23m it was for a trip I would have flown for straight pay if I had received the call out.

 

Too bad the MEC decided not to make that a priority on the short TA approach.

 

Just piggy backing on crew dawg and a few others regarding the timeline as it pertains to start fo summer flying. The company would have to move out here pretty quick in order to make that work, not us.

 

I would argue against that. People sitting on their couch shouldn't be collecting value driven by those working on their days off. Award the people with slips in who are working on their days off. Give all the extra value to them. Paying a higher emergency premium to the pilot flying the trip addresses this perfectly.

For the sake of discussion I'm also going to argue against that. Maybe a hot take but if someone is in place and available for a short notice white slip, they are also in place and available for a quick slip. QS surfing is the new credit surfing and it's glorious because there is no QS trigger. Short notice availability should always lean towards premium if we are under-staffed. It's the price the company pays for having less pilots on the seniority list. Now that most short-notice trips go to QS instead of IA, anyone on the list has access to them in a fair manner that both respects seniority and has a leveling mechanism. When the Air Line is running hot, such as now, you have 17k seniority dudes hitting Q#3 in multiple categories. If things ever cool off and the QS become rare, you get your pick of WS again. I would also add I almost never get a QS that I didn't get called for as a WS first. It's extremely rare. They are at least waiting until the OOB step to run QS.

Plus I think it's perfectly acceptable to have less WS and more premium going out while they're running us hot. At least it's leveled now so anyone can partake instead of the old IA free for all. Advocating for more single pay WS to go out is like letting pilots voluntarily work over vacation and would drive pilot efficiency up while giving the air line free relief on their staffing problem. We don't want to go in that direction. Make them pay their way out of it via more premium and/or more hiring. No easy relief. Profits are still flowing.

 

Cool story…I have ELEVEN pay cases in the queue right now since first week in March….we are not the same.