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Yesterday | 01:05 PM
#691
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do FAs get C+ seats like we do for domestic? Or do they get D1 for their international DH? I don’t believe they do, so assuming they will get it if we get it isn’t true. It’s just the company’s counter-argument for costs on why they can’t give it to us, which we’ve proven to be untrue since the new contract.
Yesterday | 02:59 PM
#693
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jan 2023
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Not arguing against FC DH (though I think FC DH is a waste), but your FAs are union, no? Ours are not and Delta is scared to death of more unions coming on property. To the company, pilots getting FC DH, means the FAs will go nuts and likely push them toward unionization. We've seen this in action where they took some profit sharing away from everyone but pilots and gave them a small raise. Then when everyone saw the pilots PS checks, they lost their minds, so they got the PS back AND kept their pay raises. I mean, we leave rows of seats open (even leaving non-revs) because the FAs think the need turbulence seats. The company let's it happen for a reason...
So in general, I agree with you on this, but in practice, things aren't that simple.
So in general, I agree with you on this, but in practice, things aren't that simple.
Well.. I don't know what fleet you're on.. but I have had recently trips (from the bid package) where you fly a longish leg then DH for 4+ hours to the layover in a (hopefully) Comfort seat...
Oh.. and when I was on reserve.. those last minute call outs on SC with DH to the west coast... middle seat in the back.. because.. you know.. nothing else left 12 hours before departure.
We need better DHs for last minute assignments..
Oh.. and when I was on reserve.. those last minute call outs on SC with DH to the west coast... middle seat in the back.. because.. you know.. nothing else left 12 hours before departure.
We need better DHs for last minute assignments..
I fully agree on that, I think most do. I'll admit I'm a bit unsure what people mean when they talk about "first class deadheads" but having a non middle seat comfort plus seat (for real, not "we'll try") or a penalty if not? I think management would be ok with that and we wouldn't be fighting on the hill they weirdly want to die on regarding first class. We get it for oceanic and it's not even a FNGL. I think that's fair enough. And that's coming from someone who heavily deadheads (tons of charters).
do FAs get C+ seats like we do for domestic? Or do they get D1 for their international DH? I don’t believe they do, so assuming they will get it if we get it isn’t true. It’s just the company’s counter-argument for costs on why they can’t give it to us, which we’ve proven to be untrue since the new contract.
Our contract value is not costed with what the company may of may not give the non-cons. It's our contract. Mediation has proven that in the past.
You guys set the bar low to not try to get industry standard DH language just because of the fear of what the company will offer the non-cons? Again, see costing comment. The company is not negotiating with them, they are negotiating with us, under the RLA. Mediators don't care about the expenses that the company MAY have to toss out to non-cons. It's our costing versus the company's and the company can not cost in the non-cons. I don't know why so many of you here believe that BS. It's what the company WANTS you to believe. It's total BS and that should never stop us for asking for, as a minimum, industry standard DH language. Period.
Yesterday | 03:54 PM
#695
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Nov 2020
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From: Enoch Powell Enthusiast
Look, all I’m saying is that any contract that has as a signing bonus consisting of the contents of the “Air Force Emergency Kit” for a B-52 pilot as detailed by Major T Kong in the documentary “Dr Strangelove,” I’m a solid “yes” vote.
(A fellow could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff)
(A fellow could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff)
Yesterday | 05:03 PM
#696
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Joined: Apr 2007
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Yesterday | 05:12 PM
#697
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Joined: Aug 2024
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We already don't care. It's the management side of the table that cares. Management's view is a pilot problem. This problem is greatly diminished with a Flight Attendant union. Supporting their unionization efforts is the best thing we can do to remove phantom FA costs from Pilot negotiations.
priorities change all the time. just like operational reliability and the delta premium difference used to be the top priorities.
Yesterday | 05:21 PM
#698
On Reserve
Joined: Feb 2023
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DALPA can say whatever they want, the reality is that if Delta management believes that certain pilot gains will result in effects with other workgroups, Delta will place an accordingly higher price on them. It doesn’t matter if it’s rational, reasonable, or fair. This is a negotiation, and Delta ultimately has to agree to the deal.
Yesterday | 05:27 PM
#699
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DALPA can say whatever they want, the reality is that if Delta management believes that certain pilot gains will result in effects with other workgroups, Delta will place an accordingly higher price on them. It doesn’t matter if it’s rational, reasonable, or fair. This is a negotiation, and Delta ultimately has to agree to the deal.
not to bring politics into it, but it’s somewhat akin to no one telling trump that in this conflict, the enemy gets a vote.
Yesterday | 05:30 PM
#700
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Joined: Jan 2023
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DALPA can say whatever they want, the reality is that if Delta management believes that certain pilot gains will result in effects with other workgroups, Delta will place an accordingly higher price on them. It doesn’t matter if it’s rational, reasonable, or fair. This is a negotiation, and Delta ultimately has to agree to the deal.
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