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Yesterday | 09:20 AM
#671
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Yesterday | 09:29 AM
#673
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Ive read in multiple threads the reason DAL mgmt is a hard no on first class DH is because they would have to give it to the FA’s as well. They don’t have it for our FA’s at United, and somehow the operation keeps running. Different work groups have different pay, benefits, work rules etc. The FA group need only compare themselves to other FA groups in the industry. What pilots get is irrelevant. Again, it’s just management blah blah.
Yesterday | 09:39 AM
#674
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I agree our DH rules suck but if management is so vehemently against something we don't need (FC), I'd rather use our negotiating capital elsewhere.
Fix the rest of the DHing rules and attach a pay penalty. First class is a waste IMO. And I don't think that's being a pushover to management, I just think we should use our extraordinary leverage elsewhere.
Fix the rest of the DHing rules and attach a pay penalty. First class is a waste IMO. And I don't think that's being a pushover to management, I just think we should use our extraordinary leverage elsewhere.
Yesterday | 09:48 AM
#675
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No doubt. We shouldn't settle for anything less than United plus on pay and everything else where their contract leads ours.
Yesterday | 09:57 AM
#676
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Ive read in multiple threads the reason DAL mgmt is a hard no on first class DH is because they would have to give it to the FA’s as well. They don’t have it for our FA’s at United, and somehow the operation keeps running. Different work groups have different pay, benefits, work rules etc. The FA group need only compare themselves to other FA groups in the industry. What pilots get is irrelevant. Again, it’s just management blah blah.
Not arguing against FC DH (though I think FC DH is a waste), but your FAs are union, no? Ours are not and Delta is scared to death of more unions coming on property. To the company, pilots getting FC DH, means the FAs will go nuts and likely push them toward unionization. We've seen this in action where they took some profit sharing away from everyone but pilots and gave them a small raise. Then when everyone saw the pilots PS checks, they lost their minds, so they got the PS back AND kept their pay raises. I mean, we leave rows of seats open (even leaving non-revs) because the FAs think the need turbulence seats. The company let's it happen for a reason...
So in general, I agree with you on this, but in practice, things aren't that simple.
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Yesterday | 10:03 AM
#677
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I agree our DH rules suck but if management is so vehemently against something we don't need (FC), I'd rather use our negotiating capital elsewhere.
Fix the rest of the DHing rules and attach a pay penalty. First class is a waste IMO. And I don't think that's being a pushover to management, I just think we should use our extraordinary leverage elsewhere.
Fix the rest of the DHing rules and attach a pay penalty. First class is a waste IMO. And I don't think that's being a pushover to management, I just think we should use our extraordinary leverage elsewhere.
Yesterday | 11:00 AM
#679
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I agree our DH rules suck but if management is so vehemently against something we don't need (FC), I'd rather use our negotiating capital elsewhere.
Fix the rest of the DHing rules and attach a pay penalty. First class is a waste IMO. And I don't think that's being a pushover to management, I just think we should use our extraordinary leverage elsewhere.
Fix the rest of the DHing rules and attach a pay penalty. First class is a waste IMO. And I don't think that's being a pushover to management, I just think we should use our extraordinary leverage elsewhere.
Yesterday | 11:16 AM
#680
seeing the country...
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Oh.. and when I was on reserve.. those last minute call outs on SC with DH to the west coast... middle seat in the back.. because.. you know.. nothing else left 12 hours before departure.
We need better DHs for last minute assignments..
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