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Yesterday | 01:58 PM
#632
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From: Wind checker
before showtime. Define reasonable however you want. It’s not like the company provides backups to
pattern deadheads.
Yesterday | 02:18 PM
#633
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I find your terms acceptable. But, I think the whole point of SS is to eliminate premium flying for RES, so they wouldn't likely go for it, though I'd take it as an acceptable modification. Really, I just don't want to see anymore magic slips that are only available to REG pilots, as it hurts the group overall.
Yesterday | 02:34 PM
#634
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I find your terms acceptable. But, I think the whole point of SS is to eliminate premium flying for RES, so they wouldn't likely go for it, though I'd take it as an acceptable modification. Really, I just don't want to see anymore magic slips that are only available to REG pilots, as it hurts the group overall.
Yesterday | 02:38 PM
#635
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Yesterday | 03:16 PM
#637
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From: B787 CA - SFO
Revenue premium is important to me as well, as it factors into our profit sharing.
From AverageGPA:
How do you know that it wasn't 'done a long time ago'? (Answer: You don't) Misinformation. It is indeed easy to ask and a much higher bar to actually achieve, requiring both parties to agree.
Page 57 of the contract comparison addresses deadhead, and I would argue that our ocean deadheading is much better than UAL or AAL. There is no 'if available' in our ocean deadhead language. They will bump revenue or pilots don't have to board. In a same scenario, it is likely that UAL and AAL pilots will be farther back in the airplane.
As for domestic, UAL 'domestic' does contain the language 'if able'. The so a large part of UAL pilots getting first class on non-oceanic deadheads lies in the way they operate their airline versus how we operate ours. Regardless, I will yield that UAL pilots sit in first class on non-oceanic more than our pilots do.
Where does this issues fall in the priority of Delta pilots over others?
What about insurance?
What about vacation, in which our value in the industry is 4th?
How about short call pay?
Night pay? - we are not industry leading
Per Diem? - we are not industry leading
International pay? - we are not industry leading
Holiday pay qualifying days? - we are not industry leading
Door pay?
Insurance?
Distributed training pay less than the value of the time it takes to do it?
I see a lot of consternation about deadhead on this thread, but frankly I can find a lot better improvements to speak about. thank goodness there is polling data for the Delta MEC to refer
From AverageGPA:
How do you know that it wasn't 'done a long time ago'? (Answer: You don't) Misinformation. It is indeed easy to ask and a much higher bar to actually achieve, requiring both parties to agree.
Page 57 of the contract comparison addresses deadhead, and I would argue that our ocean deadheading is much better than UAL or AAL. There is no 'if available' in our ocean deadhead language. They will bump revenue or pilots don't have to board. In a same scenario, it is likely that UAL and AAL pilots will be farther back in the airplane.
As for domestic, UAL 'domestic' does contain the language 'if able'. The so a large part of UAL pilots getting first class on non-oceanic deadheads lies in the way they operate their airline versus how we operate ours. Regardless, I will yield that UAL pilots sit in first class on non-oceanic more than our pilots do.
Where does this issues fall in the priority of Delta pilots over others?
What about insurance?
What about vacation, in which our value in the industry is 4th?
How about short call pay?
Night pay? - we are not industry leading
Per Diem? - we are not industry leading
International pay? - we are not industry leading
Holiday pay qualifying days? - we are not industry leading
Door pay?
Insurance?
Distributed training pay less than the value of the time it takes to do it?
I see a lot of consternation about deadhead on this thread, but frankly I can find a lot better improvements to speak about. thank goodness there is polling data for the Delta MEC to refer
on Global flights (and any non Global single or multiple DH segments over 8:00) we will always be in Business, and the company will oversell to place us there. Contract was written when we still had First Class now everything is Business.
Here is our language.
- Positive space required: When on-line deadheading on a Global Flight, you must be booked positive space. (Section 5-C-2)
- Cabin you must be booked in: You must be booked Business Class if available at booking; if not available then First Class if available. If neither is available, the Company must overbookBusiness (or First if there is no Business cabin) to accommodate you. (Section 5-C-2)
- No downgrade to economy: If you’re booked/overbooked under this provision, you may not be downgraded to Economy (including Economy Plus). “In no case” can you be required to deadhead in Economy/Economy Plus under 5-C-2. (Section 5-C-2)
- If you’re booked in First: You can only be downgraded to Business using the specific procedure in 5-C-1-e. (Section 5-C-2)
Yesterday | 03:18 PM
#638
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Joined: May 2021
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It is indeed easy to ask and a much higher bar to actually achieve, requiring both parties to agree.
Yesterday | 03:42 PM
#640
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Joined: Feb 2017
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That just means more opportunities for schedule flexibility. And then more blue days for res pilots to drop.
Say they hire 5,000 pilots this year. they couldn’t train them. And the OE trip drops for FOs would be epic.
Do I think we have max leverage right now? Yes. Do I think the company can hire their way out of this without structural changes? No.
Say they hire 5,000 pilots this year. they couldn’t train them. And the OE trip drops for FOs would be epic.
Do I think we have max leverage right now? Yes. Do I think the company can hire their way out of this without structural changes? No.
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