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Today | 08:07 AM

#601

notEnuf

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From: ir.delta.com

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Originally Posted by Frank Grimes

The acceptance rate is not sensational. Every auto accept and subsequent decline counts as a trip being offered and not being picked up (being accepted). That's the point they were trying to make of it going from 35% to 2%.

While true you have to look at the root cause. More pilots adopted AA because they were getting incessant calls for things they would never be awarded... due to excessive amounts of uncovered open time because of a staffing shortage.

Today | 08:19 AM

#602

notEnuf

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From: ir.delta.com

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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo

Disagree, go read my prior posts about this.

There's something moving in the background here. He knows he has to make a deal before summer really cranks up otherwise he's getting shuttled off to some made up non-impactful management job.

IF, and that's a big "if" he gets a deal prior to summer he will need quick action to approve the TA. This is battle field prep to rush the vote. The vetting process by 17K+ pilots has proven itself and he can't afford that kind of scrutiny. Last contract was the first one I recall were issues were addressed post TA. APC was key in the discovery of ERRATA and the acknowledgement of it by both the company and DALPA.

Today | 09:04 AM

#603

waldo135

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Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy

Totally irrelevant.

But maybe we can discuss the wonder of Palm Pilots. That would be more useful than the above paragraph. Please, stop trying to stay relevant. You have zero skin in the game.

You really should just bloke Sailing. EVERY post he makes angers you greatly. Life truly is too short..,

Today | 10:51 AM

#604

FangsF15

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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1

Why wouldn't he? Our DH is significantly worse than United AND American. Industry standard is not much to ask.

Reportedly, Ed was a hard NO on FC DH last time around. We can never know what’s really true, but Ed values his precious revenue premium too much to let us DH in FC all the time.

To be clear, I totally agree with you on industry standard, but Ed’s opinion is the only one that matters.

Today | 10:53 AM

#605

AverageGPA

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Originally Posted by iaflyer

It was a lot of work to get Comfort+ if I remember.. I am not an expert on UA's deadhead rules, but I believe it's got some first class DH domestically - which I would certainly appreciate, but I think is a tall ask from the company. I don't think they are going to give that up without a long fight.

One of United’s biggest perks is they get 150% pay for any leg occupying a middle seat on a deadhead.

That seems like an easy ask and should have been done long ago.

Today | 10:57 AM

#606

StoneQOLdCrazy

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Originally Posted by notEnuf

IF, and that's a big "if" he gets a deal prior to summer he will need quick action to approve the TA.

I think the minimum voting window for a contract is 30 days. So Gumm and Bastian better get down to brass tacks PDQ or it will all be too late to save their summer. And the next.

Today | 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Swingline

Two very similar posts on chit chat in recent days that seem to corroborate the direction this is going:

NYC CA:
“Take it or leave it. Has anyone else heard anything?

Short term 2.5 year contract extension.

Pay raises (upwards of 20% over the extension)
July 1, 2026
Jan 1, 2027
Jan 1, 2028

DC contribution increase
United DH rules
Vacation pay increase
Training pay increase

Some unidentified other increased benefits.

Ed is absolutely not happy and is willing to make this deal to streamline the coverage process to get reliability back in the operation. He wants it done ASAP.”

SLC CA:
“word on the street is 20%. 2.5 year deal 8/6/6.some add to DC, UA DH rules and a few minor things. Essentially give up 23M7, dunno status of PBdays, maybe a PS commute clause. Seems light to me seeing pilots are holding all the cards”

Easy no vote here. I doubt this is very accurate though.

Today | 11:08 AM

#608

Uninteresting

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Originally Posted by FangsF15

good for ed. that’s his line in the sand. each side gets a vote.

Today | 11:15 AM

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Fourpaw

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From: Airplane

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Originally Posted by Khantahr

Easy no vote here. I doubt this is very accurate though.

Same. Will be an auto no from me for anything less than double digits first year.

Today | 11:31 AM

#610

Gone Flying

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From: UNA

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Originally Posted by Fourpaw

Same. Will be an auto no from me for anything less than double digits first year.

not weighing in on if this is enough, but the hypothetical raises in your quote is 14.48% on the amendable date of our current agreement and more than 21% over the next 20 months (assuming 8/6/6 on dates they listed )

again not weighing in on what number is enough for me, but its worth doing the math on what any proposed raises compound to to be. I expect the company is going to try and keep any raises to single digit % at a time for non-con optics. We would probably have better luck getting an 8% raise now and another 8% 6 months later (16.6% total) than getting a 1 time 15% raise.