No comments about “snap ups” to match other majors as their contracts improve.

I thought that was a major selling point of a a quick contract.

 

BWYW WWYB. I'm tired of seeing O instead of G#1 in trip coverage. 23M7 is on the way out, either via hiring or changes to trip coverage. Let's send OOBWS with it.

The leverage decreases every month. The company can hire their way out of 23M7 eventually. I'm not convinced a long drawn out path maximizes our leverage. I do think it lessens the likelihood RG keeps his job, which is a reason to drag our feet.

 

While I won't say what my min is on a short contract. I always found it weird where OOBWS was in the coverage ladder. I always felt it should be above IA and below just about everything else in base. I get why people want OOBWS, they live in a different base that they bid for and want to drive to work when they can and get the better vacation and schedule. But at the same time I think people in base should have first picks at the trips that originate in base for GS/QS before the people get it on an out of base. But thats just my opinion

 

Clearly, there was rumor at least, maybe even Intel, regarding other items. We’ll see what happens. I’m personally not arguing for PS commuting over here, but I think many pilots will expect to see at least some kind of improvement to the commuter policy.

 

I don't believe anything posted yet, but I fully expecting we'll see OOBWS go below IBGS (long overdue imho) or AA OOBWS goes away like QS. Either one will be a welcome change as long as we get something good in return.

 

I'd love to see OOBWS demoted. Seems to me like it was only helping the company for a while - until it really started to hurt it. And it only allows pilots to hold artificial seniority and soak up in-base trips which should otherwise benefit in-base pilots (as premium).

QS? They'll probably naturally die out if that change is made. SS? I'd love to see those go away.

 

All emotions aside, this is a very important point to consider (if accurate). Let's put it another way, if I were to tell you FO's get a $20k signing bonus, Capt's get a $30k signing bonus, and we get an on-time deal with a15% raise on amendable date, and a total of 21% in 18ish months, that might hit different. Especially if the other sweeteners are meaningful.

Don't make up any minds until a TA is actually reached. Again, this is very likely a trial balloon.

Well, this 'proposal' is internet slop, so I wouldn't get worked up about what is not included. Wait for an actual TA to do that. I fully expect any TA's henceforth to include a UA/AA/WN snap up.

 

“Protections to ensure Delta pilots do not fall behind in pay when other carriers sign new agreements” sounds like a really wordy way to say snap up.

 

Revenue premium is important to me as well, as it factors into our profit sharing.

From AverageGPA:
How do you know that it wasn't 'done a long time ago'? (Answer: You don't) Misinformation. It is indeed easy to ask and a much higher bar to actually achieve, requiring both parties to agree.

Page 57 of the contract comparison addresses deadhead, and I would argue that our ocean deadheading is much better than UAL or AAL. There is no 'if available' in our ocean deadhead language. They will bump revenue or pilots don't have to board. In a same scenario, it is likely that UAL and AAL pilots will be farther back in the airplane.

As for domestic, UAL 'domestic' does contain the language 'if able'. The so a large part of UAL pilots getting first class on non-oceanic deadheads lies in the way they operate their airline versus how we operate ours. Regardless, I will yield that UAL pilots sit in first class on non-oceanic more than our pilots do.

Where does this issues fall in the priority of Delta pilots over others?
What about insurance?
What about vacation, in which our value in the industry is 4th?
How about short call pay?
Night pay? - we are not industry leading
Per Diem? - we are not industry leading
International pay? - we are not industry leading
Holiday pay qualifying days? - we are not industry leading
Door pay?
Insurance?
Distributed training pay less than the value of the time it takes to do it?


I see a lot of consternation about deadhead on this thread, but frankly I can find a lot better improvements to speak about. thank goodness there is polling data for the Delta MEC to refer

 

Say it again HK.
bookface, chitchat, that server in Eastern Europe….
No one knows but those in the room, and they’re not leaking. These aren’t trial balloons. Calm down, let ALPA do their job.