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Today | 08:04 PM

#651

brakechatter

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Originally Posted by Lerxst

United guy here, just wondering what the difference is between your Ocean Crossing language and our Global?

on Global flights (and any non Global single or multiple DH segments over 8:00) we will always be in Business, and the company will oversell to place us there. Contract was written when we still had First Class now everything is Business.

Here is our language.

Positive space required: When on-line deadheading on a Global Flight, you must be booked positive space. (Section 5-C-2)
Cabin you must be booked in: You must be booked Business Class if available at booking; if not available then First Class if available. If neither is available, the Company must overbookBusiness (or First if there is no Business cabin) to accommodate you. (Section 5-C-2)
No downgrade to economy: If you’re booked/overbooked under this provision, you may not be downgraded to Economy (including Economy Plus). “In no case” can you be required to deadhead in Economy/Economy Plus under 5-C-2. (Section 5-C-2)
If you’re booked in First: You can only be downgraded to Business using the specific procedure in 5-C-1-e. (Section 5-C-2)

Related (often comes up with long DH): if the deadhead leg is >8:00 (or consecutive deadheading in the duty period is >8:00), the booking has to follow the Section 5-C-2provisions. (Section 5-C-1-b

Stand corrected then. Your Polaris is synonymous with Business then? Or is Polaris a step up? Sound as if you all change names of seating as often as we do.

Today | 08:09 PM

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rvr350

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From: metal tube operator

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Originally Posted by ebl14

Same here, our DH rules are terrible.

we need to get same seat class protection even if we ddh. Many times people afraid to ddh an ocean crossing flight because we could be stuck in coach for 12 + hrs flight.

Today | 08:13 PM

#653

brakechatter

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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1

None of my friends at United can remember when they last had to DH in economy. Even when they're on reserve or rerouted last minute. If no seats are available they go to the TOP of the upgrade list and their IT actually works. And their "revenue premium" seems just fine. Why is this so hard to grasp for some people?

Yeah, I can't help you man. It's not about grasp, it's about disagreement on priorities. Our revenue premium is better than theirs. They are starting to catch up. They fly a lot more than us, we make more than them. Things are changing, but their upgrade models are different. They are fully unionized, Delta is not. They already have language in their possession. It's easy to ask for it, its not so easy to achieve it.

Today | 09:28 PM

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konabear

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From: Pro happy

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Originally Posted by FangsF15

Maybe (and I'd be all for it, personally. But I understand why some are not...). Or, maybe there is just no Auto-Accept for OOBWS - maybe it just goes to one window like QS. One call to rule them all...

So as not to tip my hand, I’d vote yes for one of these options, but not the other. Additionally, for a 20% raise, I’d be willing to work more, or less, for straight pay. The deal breaker for me is DH rules.