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Old Today | 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
While we all have thoughts, I have to remind myself not to negotiate in public... There is a reason this kind of thing leaks out. It's a trial balloon.

The "UA DH rules" is what makes me doubt this 'rumor', however. I'll be shocked if Ed goes for that, and even more shocked if the FA's wouldn't riot over it.

Again, this is a trial balloon.
Yup, this doesn’t sound like our leaders.
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Old Today | 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Red Swingline
Two very similar posts on chit chat in recent days that seem to corroborate the direction this is going:

NYC CA:
“Take it or leave it. Has anyone else heard anything?

Short term 2.5 year contract extension.

Pay raises (upwards of 20% over the extension)
July 1, 2026
Jan 1, 2027
Jan 1, 2028

DC contribution increase
United DH rules
Vacation pay increase
Training pay increase

Some unidentified other increased benefits.

Ed is absolutely not happy and is willing to make this deal to streamline the coverage process to get reliability back in the operation. He wants it done ASAP.”

SLC CA:
word on the street is 20%. 2.5 year deal 8/6/6.some add to DC, UA DH rules and a few minor things. Essentially give up 23M7, dunno status of PBdays, maybe a PS commute clause. Seems light to me seeing pilots are holding all the cards”
This is not enough for me to vote yes, by a long shot. And if OBWS is gone, it’s another No vote for me.
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Old Today | 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
This is not enough for me to vote yes, by a long shot.
Agree. We can achieve so much more with our leverage and their desperation.
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Old Today | 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by All 5 Stages
If OOBWS sticks around, then I'm most likely voting "No."

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retirement medical and united crew meal selection should be easy layups to staple on. simply make it what management and their kids get.
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Old Today | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Viper25
Agree. We can achieve so much more with our leverage and their desperation.
Yes. A quick deal is going to be VERY expensive.
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Old Today | 06:57 AM
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Anyone going to touch on what United DH rules actually are? I’m not going to start buying tickets to not have a backup…
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Old Today | 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Red Swingline
Two very similar posts on chit chat in recent days that seem to corroborate the direction this is going:

NYC CA:
“Take it or leave it. Has anyone else heard anything?

Short term 2.5 year contract extension.

Pay raises (upwards of 20% over the extension)
July 1, 2026
Jan 1, 2027
Jan 1, 2028

DC contribution increase
United DH rules
Vacation pay increase
Training pay increase

Some unidentified other increased benefits.

Ed is absolutely not happy and is willing to make this deal to streamline the coverage process to get reliability back in the operation. He wants it done ASAP.”

SLC CA:
word on the street is 20%. 2.5 year deal 8/6/6.some add to DC, UA DH rules and a few minor things. Essentially give up 23M7, dunno status of PBdays, maybe a PS commute clause. Seems light to me seeing pilots are holding all the cards”
The only people that know are the NC and MEC. All this other fodder is people tossing darts in the dark.

I'm gonna chill and wait for the comms from the folks actually in the room.
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Old Today | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Red Swingline
Two very similar posts on chit chat in recent days that seem to corroborate the direction this is going:

NYC CA:
“Take it or leave it. Has anyone else heard anything?

Short term 2.5 year contract extension.

Pay raises (upwards of 20% over the extension)
July 1, 2026
Jan 1, 2027
Jan 1, 2028

DC contribution increase
United DH rules
Vacation pay increase
Training pay increase

Some unidentified other increased benefits.

Ed is absolutely not happy and is willing to make this deal to streamline the coverage process to get reliability back in the operation. He wants it done ASAP.”

SLC CA:
word on the street is 20%. 2.5 year deal 8/6/6.some add to DC, UA DH rules and a few minor things. Essentially give up 23M7, dunno status of PBdays, maybe a PS commute clause. Seems light to me seeing pilots are holding all the cards”
If this is the best the company can offer, I don't see the union going for a quick deal. I won't negotiate in public besides saying that's WAY too low.
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Old Today | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15

The "UA DH rules" is what makes me doubt this 'rumor', however. I'll be shocked if Ed goes for that, and even more shocked if the FA's wouldn't riot over it.
Why wouldn't he? Our DH is significantly worse than United AND American. Industry standard is not much to ask.
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Old Today | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
Why wouldn't he? Our DH is significantly worse than United AND American. Industry standard is not much to ask.
It was a lot of work to get Comfort+ if I remember.. I am not an expert on UA's deadhead rules, but I believe it's got some first class DH domestically - which I would certainly appreciate, but I think is a tall ask from the company. I don't think they are going to give that up without a long fight.
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