Gratitude / Capt buys?
Today | 05:52 AM
#281
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From: Enoch Powell Enthusiast
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Can we create a new ageist thread for the dwindling 25% of Boomers on the seniority list to list their vices vs the other 50% of Delta pilots? Gen X can moderate.
Seriously HK, for all your talk of pilot unity (which I am 100% in agreement with) my mind is truly boggled by the diatribe you're laying down in this thread.
Can we create a new ageist thread for the dwindling 25% of Boomers on the seniority list to list their vices vs the other 50% of Delta pilots? Gen X can moderate.
Seriously HK, for all your talk of pilot unity (which I am 100% in agreement with) my mind is truly boggled by the diatribe you're laying down in this thread.
"Boomers" are less than 11% of the group. Probably even smaller if a significant number are out on LTD.
They're less prevalent than they "should" be, because roughly 2000 took the early out package during the "year of an unspecified affliction of unknown origin."
They were compensated, but not as much as if they'd stuck around. Really turbo charged a great many careers here in the huge hiring frenzy post cvd.
Just throwing that out there. Boomers won't be here much longer to kick around.
(I've never seen a pilot not throw a buck at a driver, with the rare exception of when they're short and ask me to get it and they'll get it on the next ride)
Today | 05:59 AM
#282
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I ran the numbers.
"Boomers" are less than 11% of the group. Probably even smaller if a significant number are out on LTD.
They're less prevalent than they "should" be, because roughly 2000 took the early out package during the "year of an unspecified affliction of unknown origin."
They were compensated, but not as much as if they'd stuck around. Really turbo charged a great many careers here in the huge hiring frenzy post cvd.
Just throwing that out there. Boomers won't be here much longer to kick around.
(I've never seen a pilot not throw a buck at a driver, with the rare exception of when they're short and ask me to get it and they'll get it on the next ride)
"Boomers" are less than 11% of the group. Probably even smaller if a significant number are out on LTD.
They're less prevalent than they "should" be, because roughly 2000 took the early out package during the "year of an unspecified affliction of unknown origin."
They were compensated, but not as much as if they'd stuck around. Really turbo charged a great many careers here in the huge hiring frenzy post cvd.
Just throwing that out there. Boomers won't be here much longer to kick around.
(I've never seen a pilot not throw a buck at a driver, with the rare exception of when they're short and ask me to get it and they'll get it on the next ride)
Today | 07:16 AM
#283
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Not dying anywhere, merely pointing out observations over the last few years and questioning what is the ire of GenZ and millenials not tipping the van/bus drivers.
This is rich. Hard to get cash? Use your debit card and click that little button and select amount for cash back next time you get groceries or something else. Have the cashier break the larger bill(s) down for you. It takes all of 30 seconds and you do it while already there at the store. Not hard at all.
You guys a really twisting yourselves in to justifying why you don't tip. LIke I said, seen plenty of <2 year FA's tip. While FO's just walk away.
Cash is king, always has been always will be.
This is rich. Hard to get cash? Use your debit card and click that little button and select amount for cash back next time you get groceries or something else. Have the cashier break the larger bill(s) down for you. It takes all of 30 seconds and you do it while already there at the store. Not hard at all.
You guys a really twisting yourselves in to justifying why you don't tip. LIke I said, seen plenty of <2 year FA's tip. While FO's just walk away.
Cash is king, always has been always will be.
Like someone else said, getting small bills involves me taking my free time to go to my bank and it’s just not that high on my list of things to do in my free time.
I don’t have cash all the time and if you want to get worked up because I didn’t give another person 2 dollars, that’s fine by me. You can give them 2 for me because JFC, it’s only 2 dollars.
Where can I sign up for a payroll deduction to the van driver fund, donate call it 800 bucks for the year and call it good? I’d sign up.
Today | 08:26 AM
#284
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The only thing I use my debit card for is to withdraw cash at an ATM, and the only thing I use cash for is the damn van driver tips.
I don't ever go out of my way though. I use the ATM at the layover hotel and get change from the front desk. If I run out of cash, oh well, sorry van driver, you're just going to have to drive us for free I guess.
I rarely run out though, I'm actually pretty good at keeping some cash for the van drivers. I'm actually a little amazed at that.
I don't ever go out of my way though. I use the ATM at the layover hotel and get change from the front desk. If I run out of cash, oh well, sorry van driver, you're just going to have to drive us for free I guess.
I rarely run out though, I'm actually pretty good at keeping some cash for the van drivers. I'm actually a little amazed at that.
Today | 09:31 AM
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As an aside from the who tip debate, I'd recommend using your debit card as little as possible. Only takes once of having to deal with fraud on your debit card to realize a credit card is far better of an option.
As said above, I'll tip, though many times I forget to break a $20 and it can be painful to get it broken at times. However, my biggest issue with it is why aren't the business owners paying a proper wage? Pay them right and good service should just be the standard. The onus should be on the business owner and not the customer. Maybe we should get tips for a smooth flight and a good landing (sorry 717 guys)? I don't think so because we get paid a proper wage (though it's never good enough
), so why shouldn't these industries pay better? Americans keep buying into this BS idea that it's ok to pay the service industry less, by allowing it to continue. Freakonomics actually did a few podcasts on tipping, pretty good stuff.
Cash is king until you go to a place that doesn't accept cash, which oddly, I'm seeing more often now. But it's never a bad practice to have a $100 tucked away in a wallet for the just in case scenarios. It might get you out of a pickle anywhere in the world.
I went through AF pilot training with a bunch of Euros circa 2006. One day a classmate was writing a check and the Euros in our class looked at him like he had found some ancient relic. They're like, you guys still use checks? They were amazed that we'd still use something to easily counterfeited.
As said above, I'll tip, though many times I forget to break a $20 and it can be painful to get it broken at times. However, my biggest issue with it is why aren't the business owners paying a proper wage? Pay them right and good service should just be the standard. The onus should be on the business owner and not the customer. Maybe we should get tips for a smooth flight and a good landing (sorry 717 guys)? I don't think so because we get paid a proper wage (though it's never good enough
), so why shouldn't these industries pay better? Americans keep buying into this BS idea that it's ok to pay the service industry less, by allowing it to continue. Freakonomics actually did a few podcasts on tipping, pretty good stuff.Cash is king until you go to a place that doesn't accept cash, which oddly, I'm seeing more often now. But it's never a bad practice to have a $100 tucked away in a wallet for the just in case scenarios. It might get you out of a pickle anywhere in the world.
I went through AF pilot training with a bunch of Euros circa 2006. One day a classmate was writing a check and the Euros in our class looked at him like he had found some ancient relic. They're like, you guys still use checks? They were amazed that we'd still use something to easily counterfeited.
Today | 09:59 AM
#287
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Then I did it again with Brazilian butter not long after.
I don’t buy butter anymore.
Today | 10:00 AM
#288
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From: Sitting SC at the Five Towns
I used to see pilots tip the van drivers taking us to the training center without loading bags. Why tip them and and not the employee bus driver? What about the city bus driver? I noticed this inconsistent habit has slowly died.
If we loaded our own bags we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
Today | 10:06 AM
#289
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As an aside from the who tip debate, I'd recommend using your debit card as little as possible. Only takes once of having to deal with fraud on your debit card to realize a credit card is far better of an option.
As said above, I'll tip, though many times I forget to break a $20 and it can be painful to get it broken at times. However, my biggest issue with it is why aren't the business owners paying a proper wage? Pay them right and good service should just be the standard. The onus should be on the business owner and not the customer. Maybe we should get tips for a smooth flight and a good landing (sorry 717 guys)? I don't think so because we get paid a proper wage (though it's never good enough), so why shouldn't these industries pay better? Americans keep buying into this BS idea that it's ok to pay the service industry less, by allowing it to continue. Freakonomics actually did a few podcasts on tipping, pretty good stuff.
Cash is king until you go to a place that doesn't accept cash, which oddly, I'm seeing more often now. But it's never a bad practice to have a $100 tucked away in a wallet for the just in case scenarios. It might get you out of a pickle anywhere in the world.
I went through AF pilot training with a bunch of Euros circa 2006. One day a classmate was writing a check and the Euros in our class looked at him like he had found some ancient relic. They're like, you guys still use checks? They were amazed that we'd still use something to easily counterfeited.
As said above, I'll tip, though many times I forget to break a $20 and it can be painful to get it broken at times. However, my biggest issue with it is why aren't the business owners paying a proper wage? Pay them right and good service should just be the standard. The onus should be on the business owner and not the customer. Maybe we should get tips for a smooth flight and a good landing (sorry 717 guys)? I don't think so because we get paid a proper wage (though it's never good enough
), so why shouldn't these industries pay better? Americans keep buying into this BS idea that it's ok to pay the service industry less, by allowing it to continue. Freakonomics actually did a few podcasts on tipping, pretty good stuff.Cash is king until you go to a place that doesn't accept cash, which oddly, I'm seeing more often now. But it's never a bad practice to have a $100 tucked away in a wallet for the just in case scenarios. It might get you out of a pickle anywhere in the world.
I went through AF pilot training with a bunch of Euros circa 2006. One day a classmate was writing a check and the Euros in our class looked at him like he had found some ancient relic. They're like, you guys still use checks? They were amazed that we'd still use something to easily counterfeited.
Wasn't but a few months ago I'm in one of our major "Hubs" and the electronic billing systems had failed. It was funny some vendors were toast as they could not accept cash since they didn't have the means to do so (only had card readers, no tills). A few places that did accept cash, well they were doing just fine.
This isn't about the recalcitrance to not carry cash. I get that part of it. However, the emphasis is drifting into a broader discussion that isn't really relative to my point about tipping van/bus drivers. It's not hard to get cash. And until the van/bus drivers get their own cash apps venmos or whatever, tips are in cash. Be a professional, get some cash tip the drivers. Not that hard.
Today | 10:13 AM
#290
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Getting cash isn’t the tooth-pulling endeavor that most people are making it out to be. I too generally almost never use cash outside of tips. However, about twice a year I’ll pop by my local bank branch (which for me is something I drive past all the time, so no special trip required) and I’ll withdraw $3-400 in ones. I keep $100 of that in a fairly hidden compartment in my suitcase, and the rest in store in my dresser where I keep my wallet. Before each trip I’ll throw a handful of ones from my dresser and put them in my wallet. If I forget or I run out on the road I’ve got my backup stash in my bag. So maybe 30 minutes out of my life over an entire year.
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