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06-07-2012, 06:35 AM
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Does this mean the first time the ratios are compared is two years from now? Does this also mean they only ratios ever compared will be when we are doing our max flying in the summer? Do the winter ratios not matter? Is it an average through the year or a one-time July 1 snapshot every year?
06-07-2012, 06:40 AM
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Been discussing the new Japanese transit VISA requirements on the other thread and it probably belongs on the "Latest and Greatest."
Our Manilla station is walking hundreds of passengers daily to Korean and other partner airlines (with full refunds) since Japan has instituted a new transit VISA policy. To go through our Narita hub most of our Asian passengers must pay a $100 fee, take a seminar at their nearest Japanese Embassy, then wait several weeks for a "transit VISA" which may, or may not, come. The transit VISA issued by the Japanese is good for one day (limiting travel options) and confusion over the date of the lay over (many flights span two days) will result in the passenger being sent back to Country of origin on the next flight out.
The Japanese Embassy staff is so overwhelmed that they have directed people to third party agencies which (typical of the Philippines) are very expensive, corrupt and inefficient.
Suffice it to say ... Narita is pretty useless as a hub if many of our passengers can not transit it.
US Citizens can still get through NRT, but not holders of US VISA's or Green Cards (permanent residents). This is why full 747's are leaving Asian nations with lots and lots of empty seats.
Guam is probably not the answer. My guess is that we'll get partners and withdraw from the Asian markets that we can't serve directly from the US.
Like to hear from Slowplay, or some of our Asian pilots on this. What I've heard so far have been from the Delta Agents in MNL.
Our Manilla station is walking hundreds of passengers daily to Korean and other partner airlines (with full refunds) since Japan has instituted a new transit VISA policy. To go through our Narita hub most of our Asian passengers must pay a $100 fee, take a seminar at their nearest Japanese Embassy, then wait several weeks for a "transit VISA" which may, or may not, come. The transit VISA issued by the Japanese is good for one day (limiting travel options) and confusion over the date of the lay over (many flights span two days) will result in the passenger being sent back to Country of origin on the next flight out.
The Japanese Embassy staff is so overwhelmed that they have directed people to third party agencies which (typical of the Philippines) are very expensive, corrupt and inefficient.
Suffice it to say ... Narita is pretty useless as a hub if many of our passengers can not transit it.
US Citizens can still get through NRT, but not holders of US VISA's or Green Cards (permanent residents). This is why full 747's are leaving Asian nations with lots and lots of empty seats.
Guam is probably not the answer. My guess is that we'll get partners and withdraw from the Asian markets that we can't serve directly from the US.
Like to hear from Slowplay, or some of our Asian pilots on this. What I've heard so far have been from the Delta Agents in MNL.
06-07-2012, 06:43 AM
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Section 6 paragraph A. 3. f. 1. says if you take a paid move you have to move to within 125 nm of your new base, so maybe that's the definition of commuter?
06-07-2012, 06:47 AM
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Does this mean the first time the ratios are compared is two years from now? Does this also mean they only ratios ever compared will be when we are doing our max flying in the summer? Do the winter ratios not matter? Is it an average through the year or a one-time July 1 snapshot every year?
06-07-2012, 06:52 AM
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Haha, sad but true.
06-07-2012, 06:54 AM
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Does this mean the first time the ratios are compared is two years from now? Does this also mean they only ratios ever compared will be when we are doing our max flying in the summer? Do the winter ratios not matter? Is it an average through the year or a one-time July 1 snapshot every year?
06-07-2012, 07:01 AM
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Been discussing the new Japanese transit VISA requirements on the other thread and it probably belongs on the "Latest and Greatest."
Our Manilla station is walking hundreds of passengers daily to Korean and other partner airlines (with full refunds) since Japan has instituted a new transit VISA policy. To go through our Narita hub most of our Asian passengers must pay a $100 fee, take a seminar at their nearest Japanese Embassy, then wait several weeks for a "transit VISA" which may, or may not, come. The transit VISA issued by the Japanese is good for one day (limiting travel options) and confusion over the date of the lay over (many flights span two days) will result in the passenger being sent back to Country of origin on the next flight out.
The Japanese Embassy staff is so overwhelmed that they have directed people to third party agencies which (typical of the Philippines) are very expensive, corrupt and inefficient.
Suffice it to say ... Narita is pretty useless as a hub if many of our passengers can not transit it.
US Citizens can still get through NRT, but not holders of US VISA's or Green Cards (permanent residents). This is why full 747's are leaving Asian nations with lots and lots of empty seats.
Guam is probably not the answer. My guess is that we'll get partners and withdraw from the Asian markets that we can't serve directly from the US.
Like to hear from Slowplay, or some of our Asian pilots on this. What I've heard so far have been from the Delta Agents in MNL.
Our Manilla station is walking hundreds of passengers daily to Korean and other partner airlines (with full refunds) since Japan has instituted a new transit VISA policy. To go through our Narita hub most of our Asian passengers must pay a $100 fee, take a seminar at their nearest Japanese Embassy, then wait several weeks for a "transit VISA" which may, or may not, come. The transit VISA issued by the Japanese is good for one day (limiting travel options) and confusion over the date of the lay over (many flights span two days) will result in the passenger being sent back to Country of origin on the next flight out.
The Japanese Embassy staff is so overwhelmed that they have directed people to third party agencies which (typical of the Philippines) are very expensive, corrupt and inefficient.
Suffice it to say ... Narita is pretty useless as a hub if many of our passengers can not transit it.
US Citizens can still get through NRT, but not holders of US VISA's or Green Cards (permanent residents). This is why full 747's are leaving Asian nations with lots and lots of empty seats.
Guam is probably not the answer. My guess is that we'll get partners and withdraw from the Asian markets that we can't serve directly from the US.
Like to hear from Slowplay, or some of our Asian pilots on this. What I've heard so far have been from the Delta Agents in MNL.
I haven't been to NRT since I got off the ER in Nov, but this is the first I've heard of this. I do know that right now we are doing much better in Asia than we are doing in Europe, not that is say'en much.
06-07-2012, 07:02 AM
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Bar, I may be missing what your saying, but if you connect anywhere in Japan on us you don't go through immigration.
I haven't been to NRT since I got off the ER in Nov, but this is the first I've heard of this. I do know that right now we are doing much better in Asia than we are doing in Europe, not that is say'en much.
I haven't been to NRT since I got off the ER in Nov, but this is the first I've heard of this. I do know that right now we are doing much better in Asia than we are doing in Europe, not that is say'en much.
06-07-2012, 07:07 AM
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I need some more detail on what he is/was doing I guess
...............not that it's any of my business
Shoot, Guam and Saipan are the only places out there that make ya go through immigration and TSA to connect somewhere.
...............not that it's any of my businessShoot, Guam and Saipan are the only places out there that make ya go through immigration and TSA to connect somewhere.
06-07-2012, 07:18 AM
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As he explained it to me; Japan is requiring a transit visa if you are connecting anywhere from our NRT hub. Now I always thought there was something like this but he was telling me it is different.
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