Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-07-2012, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by freightguy
I did not find any such rule changes either in the official Japanese government visa rule web page nor on the Delta Airlines passport/visa requirements page. So I just asked the Japanese immigration while I passed through Narita. They got a supervisor for me and he confirmed that no such changes has been made. He said passengers from all countries are free to transit Narita without visas, provided they have confirmed onward bookings for the same day. He said passengers will even be offered a shore pass if they want to leave the airport as long as they leave in 72 hrs and hold confirmed seats to a third country.
Now, non revenue passengers (passriders and buddy pass riders) from most Asian countries still need a visa to transit Narita as they technically don't hold confirmed seats.
If anything changed, even the Narita immigration has not been made aware of it yet!
Now, non revenue passengers (passriders and buddy pass riders) from most Asian countries still need a visa to transit Narita as they technically don't hold confirmed seats.
If anything changed, even the Narita immigration has not been made aware of it yet!
It would be very good news if what we were told in MNL "wasn't quite right." We were told the rule change began 1 June.
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 06-07-2012 at 12:39 PM.
06-07-2012, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
Bar, I may be missing what your saying, but if you connect anywhere in Japan on us you don't go through immigration.
I haven't been to NRT since I got off the ER in Nov, but this is the first I've heard of this. I do know that right now we are doing much better in Asia than we are doing in Europe, not that is say'en much.
I haven't been to NRT since I got off the ER in Nov, but this is the first I've heard of this. I do know that right now we are doing much better in Asia than we are doing in Europe, not that is say'en much.
A lot of Asian business people & families maintain US Permanent residency to allow international travel with fewer restrictions to third Countries. It's the only easy way to connect through US airline hubs. Now it appears Japan is requiring these passengers obtain VISAs to transit Narita.
06-07-2012, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Thanks for the update. We also found the information to be very spotty. The Philippine version of the Japanese Visitor's information has the change and we confirmed it with the Japanese Consulate here in Atlanta. FWIW, we were first made aware of this by the Delta agents in MNL. They did comment that the Japanese Government had found buddy pass riders "abusing" the shore pass (can't remember what they called the transit visa which allows for terminal changes and short duration stays in Country). It is pretty easy to imagine that happening. Carlos Mencia jokes that Filipinos are perceived as "Asian's Mexicans."
It would be very good news if what we were told in MNL "wasn't quite right." We were told the rule change began 1 June.
It would be very good news if what we were told in MNL "wasn't quite right." We were told the rule change began 1 June.
As far as I know, the only issue is with non-revenue standby travelers. Even though a non-revenue traveler on a stand-by seat will not have to go through Japanese immigration, technically they need to hold an official transit visa. Airlines will deny boarding if they don't have it. (Americans, Europeans, and some other nationals are excempt from this rule as Japan does not require them to have a visa in the first place).
06-07-2012, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by bigbusdriver
Just getting a little tired of 2007 and newer pilots telling me how bad it is. ....
Raises for ACL since hired: 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and maybe 2013, 2014, 2015 No furlough Flies a wide body As a reserve ER pilot will be looking at a 21% raise in 2013 Not too shabby for a 5th year Why is he the skeptical angry guy here? and really Who gives a rats a$$ about Gulfstreams? I don't want those guys on the seniority list and I don't want to fly their jets without duty rigs. Talk bout a can of worms.
Raises for ACL since hired: 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and maybe 2013, 2014, 2015 No furlough Flies a wide body As a reserve ER pilot will be looking at a 21% raise in 2013 Not too shabby for a 5th year Why is he the skeptical angry guy here? and really Who gives a rats a$$ about Gulfstreams? I don't want those guys on the seniority list and I don't want to fly their jets without duty rigs. Talk bout a can of worms.
You don't understand why we have a union or how a union works.
ACL would have 13 years of longevity if it was not for guys like you who "don't want those guys on our seniority list" and who changed ALPA's merger policy, then voted against a PID request brought forward by the pilots of the airline that yours bought, stripped it of its code, and spun off.
We are not "entitled" to anything and we know it every time we see our paycheck, or bid. But unlike you we are duty bound and determined to try to end this outsourcing that began on your watch because you did not and do not want a seniority list which includes those who perform Delta flying.
No hard feelings, but you do not understand all the facts. ACL's been flying Delta passengers for 13 years. If he's in a ER, good on him.
It is water under the dam already, but tough to walk through the same door to come to work for 13 years and go backwards for the last five. Some of us are getting old and one event after another keeps putting us in the back of the line.
I'm even more sympathetic to the junior FO's who have been here the whole time. Their plight and 12 year stagnation has been worse than mine. Effectively, the last generation has outsourced the first decade of the current generation of Delta pilots' careers.
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 06-07-2012 at 01:33 PM.
06-07-2012, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
We do have 2010 hires that have been MD'd 3 times since being here. Some were kicked from DTW 320 to MEM 320 to NYC 7er to NYC M88.
06-07-2012, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Bigboy,
You don't understand why we have a union or how a union works.
ACL would have 13 years of longevity if it was not for guys like you who "don't want those guys on our seniority list" and who changed ALPA's merger policy, then voted against a PID request brought forward by the pilots of the airline that yours bought, stripped it of its code, and spun off.
We are not "entitled" to anything and we know it every time we see our paycheck, or bid. But unlike you we are duty bound and determined to try to end this outsourcing that began on your watch because you did not and do not want a seniority list which includes those who perform Delta flying.
No hard feelings, but you do not understand all the facts. ACL's been flying Delta passengers for 13 years. If he's in a ER, good on him.
It is water under the dam already, but tough to walk through the same door to come to work for 13 years and go backwards for the last five. Some of us are getting old and one event after another keeps putting us in the back of the line.
I'm even more sympathetic to the junior FO's who have been here the whole time. Their plight and 12 year stagnation has been worse than mine. Effectively, the last generation has outsourced the first decade of the current generation of Delta pilots' careers.
You don't understand why we have a union or how a union works.
ACL would have 13 years of longevity if it was not for guys like you who "don't want those guys on our seniority list" and who changed ALPA's merger policy, then voted against a PID request brought forward by the pilots of the airline that yours bought, stripped it of its code, and spun off.
We are not "entitled" to anything and we know it every time we see our paycheck, or bid. But unlike you we are duty bound and determined to try to end this outsourcing that began on your watch because you did not and do not want a seniority list which includes those who perform Delta flying.
No hard feelings, but you do not understand all the facts. ACL's been flying Delta passengers for 13 years. If he's in a ER, good on him.
It is water under the dam already, but tough to walk through the same door to come to work for 13 years and go backwards for the last five. Some of us are getting old and one event after another keeps putting us in the back of the line.
I'm even more sympathetic to the junior FO's who have been here the whole time. Their plight and 12 year stagnation has been worse than mine. Effectively, the last generation has outsourced the first decade of the current generation of Delta pilots' careers.
Carl
06-07-2012, 02:21 PM
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Does anyone have a guess, or has anyone heard what the forecast number of pilots Delta will have on property if this TA is passed?
That is considering:
1.) 300 early retirements.
2.) 88 717's
3.) Reserves flying ALV +15
4.) Regulars flying 84 in some months
5.) Anything else I might have forgotten
That is considering:
1.) 300 early retirements.
2.) 88 717's
3.) Reserves flying ALV +15
4.) Regulars flying 84 in some months
5.) Anything else I might have forgotten
06-07-2012, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Does anyone have a guess, or has anyone heard what the forecast number of pilots Delta will have on property if this TA is passed?
That is considering:
1.) 300 early retirements.
2.) 88 717's
3.) Reserves flying ALV +15
4.) Regulars flying 84 in some months
5.) Anything else I might have forgotten
That is considering:
1.) 300 early retirements.
2.) 88 717's
3.) Reserves flying ALV +15
4.) Regulars flying 84 in some months
5.) Anything else I might have forgotten
06-07-2012, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Does anyone have a guess, or has anyone heard what the forecast number of pilots Delta will have on property if this TA is passed?
That is considering:
1.) 300 early retirements.
2.) 88 717's
3.) Reserves flying ALV +15
4.) Regulars flying 84 in some months
5.) Anything else I might have forgotten
That is considering:
1.) 300 early retirements.
2.) 88 717's
3.) Reserves flying ALV +15
4.) Regulars flying 84 in some months
5.) Anything else I might have forgotten
So, around 12,300 would be a good conservative (on the upside) guess.
06-07-2012, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
Don't forget a lot more retirements within the next 5 years.
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