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05-07-2012, 04:48 AM
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Did I miss the statement limiting 70/76 seat aircraft to 255 (status quo) or less?
05-07-2012, 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL
Not sure, but I called my Rep and he said rest rules and other parts of the TA not yet completed will more than offset any negative staffing effects. I'll wait and judge the TA in it's entirety. For a pilot who spends a lot of time on reserve this is huge win provided there is negative staffing impact.
According to management, no staffing increase will be driven by the rest rules.
05-07-2012, 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Your Rep might be mistaken. The Network and Crew Resource Planner were at the 2/14 Crew Room Brief. They stated the rest rules would have the effect of adding 1% to the pilot seniority list. If they added in current margins for contingencies, they got back to a net wash.
According to management, no staffing increase will be driven by the rest rules.
According to management, no staffing increase will be driven by the rest rules.
There was a qualifier to that too. They were just looking at the rest rules and not layering them in with any PWA restrictions. They plan on dealing with many of the duty and flight time limit issues via reroute. It shuffles the deck and keeps staffing neutral. For that reason, reserves need trip guarantee once assigned, and there needs to be penalties for reroutes that have a pilot released any later than schedule sign out. If those two things are not part of this agreement, yes, the ft/dt chances will be effectively net neutral to a slight loss.
05-07-2012, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirtdiver
We may be getting our panties in a wad prematurely on the reserve increases.
If reserves get pay and credit same as line holders, would the new numbers be a wash? Or perhaps even in our favor?
Like it's been pointed out, most of the time I've spent on reserve (lots) I would have benefited more from a training day pay increase for getting my landing currency in the sim than negatively by this bump in "full".
If reserves get pay and credit same as line holders, would the new numbers be a wash? Or perhaps even in our favor?
Like it's been pointed out, most of the time I've spent on reserve (lots) I would have benefited more from a training day pay increase for getting my landing currency in the sim than negatively by this bump in "full".
And we should see the entire contract. On the surface, however I wouldn't want to be assigned up to 99 hours in the summer, without concurrence. Furthermore, I might be OK w/ ALV + 7:30, so a Reserve could be assigned up to the upper limit of LCW, but why have Reserves go to 7:30 above that, 7:30 more than a regular?
And in what context should allow ALV/TLV to flex up another 1:00?
The answer needs to be that we will all see much higher daily credit, so that we can be as productive as the company needs, without ruining our health or privat lives.
05-07-2012, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
There was a qualifier to that too. They were just looking at the rest rules and not layering them in with any PWA restrictions.... It shuffles the deck and keeps staffing neutral. For that reason, reserves need trip guarantee once assigned, and there needs to be penalties for reroutes that have a pilot released any later than schedule sign out. If those two things are not part of this agreement, yes, the ft/dt chances will be effectively net neutral to a slight loss.
05-07-2012, 05:54 AM
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... And I reread the NP and current Section 23, and I still can't fully explain the contradiction 80 was pointing out: if you're "full" at you guarantee... Then can you really go to ALV + 15 involuntarily?
And who even has panties to get in a wad?
Softball lobbed>pictures of panties follow> underboob included > another good morning on th L&G.
And who even has panties to get in a wad?
Softball lobbed>pictures of panties follow> underboob included > another good morning on th L&G.
05-07-2012, 06:00 AM
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In other news, Europe is looking very ugly now that Greek voters are having their say. Neo-Nazi party's results in the polls up from .23% to 7.00%.
The Greek electorate isn't big on austerity (or paying its bills). While this turn of events is no surprise, it is a harbinger for other larger and more relevant economies.
The Greek electorate isn't big on austerity (or paying its bills). While this turn of events is no surprise, it is a harbinger for other larger and more relevant economies.
05-07-2012, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
... And I reread the NP and current Section 23, and I still can't fully explain the contradiction 80 was pointing out: if you're "full" at you guarantee... Then can you really go to ALV + 15 involuntarily?
And who even has panties to get in a wad?
Softball lobbed>pictures of panties follow> underboob included > another good morning on th L&G.
And who even has panties to get in a wad?
Softball lobbed>pictures of panties follow> underboob included > another good morning on th L&G.
If you are at or above guarantee which, depending on the final language, you can show full. Below guarantee, they can assign an trip not to exceed ALV+15.
Also, look at what a ALV of say 72, 75, and 80 with 5:15 and a 6 hrs equate in in terms of days of work. IMO, there could be foreshadowing there on a change to a min day credit.
05-07-2012, 06:19 AM
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Okay need to ask because I can't officially find it in the PWA.
(Short attention span/limited education)
What is the official limit on the number of 50/ 70 / 76 seaters currently allowed under the contract?
I think I remember a hard overall limit of 255, with a maximum of 150 70/76 seaters.
Not sure if that is accurate.
(Short attention span/limited education)
What is the official limit on the number of 50/ 70 / 76 seaters currently allowed under the contract?
I think I remember a hard overall limit of 255, with a maximum of 150 70/76 seaters.
Not sure if that is accurate.
05-07-2012, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
In other news, Europe is looking very ugly now that Greek voters are having their say. Neo-Nazi party's results in the polls up from .23% to 7.00%.
The Greek electorate isn't big on austerity (or paying its bills). While this turn of events is no surprise, it is a harbinger for other larger and more relevant economies.
The Greek electorate isn't big on austerity (or paying its bills). While this turn of events is no surprise, it is a harbinger for other larger and more relevant economies.
How about France and their decision to elect a Socialist. One who states he will cut the austerity measures, increase government spending and tax the rich at 75%. We apparently have a JV partner right in the middle of that.
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