Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 646225)
We need more cash. In reality at least twice what others do, because we are twice the size.
I think that DAL is going to be showing numbers that are not good at all. We hit our 20% decline in yeild. There has been no retreat from that. This is the reason they are working so hard towards SOC. If we are able to get some of these route efficiencies etc, those numbers will look a lot better. I think that 2Q is not going to be be good at all.
Originally Posted by Fly4hire
(Post 646227)
Route efficiencies equal right acft on right routes ASAP after SOC equals training crews immediately after SOC equals doing an pre-SOC postion bid for post-SOC training. Given the expected PRIP results favoring N pilots it would seem at this point an early AE/VD/MD might mitigate expected S displacements as well. Nahhh, makes too much sense.
|
Separate question about SOC (my apologies if it's been asked/answered along during the 10,000 posts on this thread...): What about the F/A integration process? Does it have the potential to delay SOC?
I ask because I haven't heard that a vote has been called by the AFA. I don't know the reason for this, nor do I know whether they're afraid of the outcome. Regardless, it's not clear to me whether the lack of integration behind the cockpit door delays SOC, or not. Anyone with a clue on this matter? |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 646238)
Do you think we'll beat the street estimates?
[\QUOTE] We never beat street estimates. I'd like to think you're right, but I think we'd need to see the demographics of the pirp to see how many were ANC. It really does not matter in the long run. The people may be locked in this position, but when a new one opens up in a few months they will be able to bid that to. We are pilots and will find away around anything to get what we want. Fact is that dragging our feet will only buy us six months at best. |
Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 646241)
Separate question about SOC (my apologies if it's been asked/answered along during the 10,000 posts on this thread...): What about the F/A integration process? Does it have the potential to delay SOC?
I ask because I haven't heard that a vote has been called by the AFA. I don't know the reason for this, nor do I know whether they're afraid of the outcome. Regardless, it's not clear to me whether the lack of integration behind the cockpit door delays SOC, or not. Anyone with a clue on this matter? If you think you have it bad, go talk to some of these people. I think how they are getting treated is totally unfair. TPA for an example. |
Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 646241)
Separate question about SOC (my apologies if it's been asked/answered along during the 10,000 posts on this thread...): What about the F/A integration process? Does it have the potential to delay SOC?
I ask because I haven't heard that a vote has been called by the AFA. I don't know the reason for this, nor do I know whether they're afraid of the outcome. Regardless, it's not clear to me whether the lack of integration behind the cockpit door delays SOC, or not. Anyone with a clue on this matter? |
Originally Posted by DeadHead
(Post 646198)
|
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 646245)
I am sure that DAL can convince the FAA to sign off on SOC with out a list. They would just build separate parings for them until they merged. Problem for the company is that the NWA folks would get a lot more, and the DAL FA's will get hosed. Kind of like what is happening to our Gate Agents all over the system.
If you think you have it bad, go talk to some of these people. I think how they are getting treated is totally unfair. TPA for an example. Also, can you please expand on your statement about DAL F/A's getting hosed (or the agents, for that matter)? Couldn't they simply keep F/A pairings linked to the aircraft, just the way they are now? Seems like the company wouldn't want to guarantee AFA votes with any "hosing". |
Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 646241)
Separate question about SOC (my apologies if it's been asked/answered along during the 10,000 posts on this thread...): What about the F/A integration process? Does it have the potential to delay SOC?
I ask because I haven't heard that a vote has been called by the AFA. I don't know the reason for this, nor do I know whether they're afraid of the outcome. Regardless, it's not clear to me whether the lack of integration behind the cockpit door delays SOC, or not. Anyone with a clue on this matter? |
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 646251)
Once we were declared us a single transportation system, the clock started ticking on the other unions. They have to call an election at some point soon, I forget when. They are probably holding out for the card check bill to see if it passes.
|
As the ultimate "hodge-podge" thread of all things Delta, I thought I'd throw out a reading recommendation (see end of post for "deets"). While most of this thread, and APC in general likes to gaze into the crystal ball on the micro, short-term level, this particular book examines life in the not-too distant future of inevitable higher gas prices.
One whole chapter is devoted to the future of the airlines, and I'll summarize by saying, it isn't pretty. At $8/gallon (yes, that's gallon, not barrel), US airlines are pretty much toast. Permanently. It's a fascinating read, and while the author doesn't say "when", the general feeling is that it is certainly within our lifetimes, and probably within a decade. Specific airlines in order of probable failure are cited, along with a couple of likely candidates who will survive in an airline market that is much, much reduced. While I highly recommend anyone who's interested head off to the bookstore or library and at least read the chapter on airlines, there's a highly simplified summary here: Twenty Dollars Per Gallon - Forbes.com (follow this link then follow the link to "empty skies") Whether it's 5, 10, or 20 years, I think his conclusions about airlines are essentially correct (who the ultimate survivors are are debatable, but SWA is probably a decent bet). As for me, I'm not making any long term plans based on a future in the airlines (though I'll certainly savor it while I can) $20 Per Gallon: How the Inevitable Rise in the Price of Gasoline Will Change Our Lives for the Better by Christopher Steiner |
All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:08 AM. |
User Alert System provided by
Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Lite) -
vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Website Copyright ©2000 - 2017 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands