Whether the regionals operate little props or big jets, they're primary purpose for a vast majority of pilots is to be the means to TPIC and a job at the majors. A simple stepping stone. As the airplanes get bigger and become less regional and more replacement and then just later flat out reroute jets, the fewer jobs there are available at mainline, the more regional pilots give up and settle in for a career and the longer the stagnation becomes at the regionals.

But rest assured no matter the size of the aircraft at a regional, pilots will still come in hopes of getting a job here. Sure SJS might strike them just like the "I ain't going if it's not Boeing" strikes guys here, or worse, pay for scope.

So I don't blame a regional pilot for being perturbed and wishing we'd take back scope even if it cuts jobs out from under them. In fact, I think you'd find more of them willing to take that hit then you'd find pilots on our side willing to take a pay cut to get scope back.

But why throw things at them for stuff they cannot control while ignoring pilots complaining about regional jets in their way here who have no intention of voting for a scope recapture?

 

DALPA selling scope is one of the reasons I got stuck at a regional for almost eight years! Ask yourself this question.... Would the regionals be as big as they are if Delta pilots had held the line on scope? Why are the regionals as big as they are? Is it because there are lots of "active participants in the outsourcing" applying to the regionals? Or is it because they're getting contract flying from their major partners and need to hire pilots? It's pretty simple... it's our job to fight to keep our flying in house. There's a certain amount of flying to be done. Do we have work rules that keep Delta mainline pilots up front or do we have rules that allow management to grow DCI? Here's a graphical representation...

 

You STILL don't get it.

 

Agreed. Isn't regular football right around the corner?

Miami Dolphins Cheerleaders "Call Me Maybe" by Carly Rae - YouTube

 

You guys crack me up with the pictures

 

As Denny said, if it sucks so bad here, and 2/3ds of us are cheese eating surrender monkeys, why in the hell would he want to come work here?

 

[QUOTE=Scoop;1250237]Xtreme,


My favorite are the Regional guys who constantly complain about DAL Pilots for relaxing Scope over the years. While I agree our Scope relaxation has been disappointing there is plenty of blame to go around.

Lets put this in perspective. These are for the most part guys who took advantage of the DCI growth and got hired on with the regionals.

Now that they have their hours and are ready to move on to the majors outsourcing is bad and it is clearly the fault of "greedy" DAL Pilots "selling" Scope at every opportunity.

Here we have a "typical" DAL Pilot contemplating the latest Scope sale.





What is more selfish then the Regional Pilot who votes yes for outsourcing by taking the job in the first place and then as soon as he is ready to move to the majors bemoans the whole practice. Talk about raising the ladder behind you.

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How the heck is a civilian supposed to get flight time? The HAVE to fly for a regional!! Years ago I had some arrogant mainline United pilot give me crap for stealing his 737 flying. My airline had just placed their first big RJ order.

I was still flying brand new brasilias with that new car smell. Every week I listened to this guys crap while riding his jumpseat. I was a new regional pilot and knew zilch about scope. Before my next jumpseat I spent some time researching scope loss and how the industry got there. Well, the same captain started into me. I politely reminded him that mainline pilots thought they were too good to fly those baby jets for low pay. Do you really think rj pilots planned their career at a regional? No way. We all wanted these jets at mainline, for mainline pay and seniority.

American pilots published a paper showing how they could economically fly those pesky mosquito jets. United and Delta pilots were above that C scale flying. They wanted more money. The captain listened to my arguement, the FO said I was right, I thanked him again for the ride to work, and he just sat there with a scowl on his face. On the way out he apologized.

Regional pilots are not the problem. WE MAINLINE pilots are the problem. We sell out for more money every time. I'm posting in anger and I shouldn't. I'm just sick and tired of clueless senior arrogant know-it-all elitist people not taking credit for their own mistakes.

 

Too lazy to search right now but I think a line holder gets something similar for a re-route into vacation.

For the reserve green slip situation, as far as I know you can only use the PB day for an extra X day or an extra vacation day. You can't use it to drop a trip from a regular line.

 

First of all, I never said word one about criticizing ALPA or the company. None. What I said was that you were criticizing 2/3rds of the pilot group that (allegedly) you want to work with. My point was that since people know who you are, that in an interview process I am sure that those words could come out in an interview with (probably) one of those people you just denigrated in your comment. If you were an employer, and some jackass sat in front of you who did that, how would YOU react.. also knowing that there were about 20,000 equally qualified applicants waiting for said jackass to stub his toe? Hmmmmm? I want to work with people that want to be here, not people like the one I just described. A little humility and appreciation of where you are will go a long way. Leave the entitlement mentality at the door.

 

Almost Perfect... Just rename "holding scope" as "With C2012" and "selling scope" to "without C2012"