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09-14-2012, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
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What's really funny is people thinking they are going to "move" hundreds of millions of rice farmers and peny per hour facgtory workers to quarter million dollar appartments by public policy and edict. Its just not possible. As that starts to happen, wages and prices will rise so harshly it will slam the door just as quickly as it opened it. We're already starting to see it in western market factory areas where wages are inflating dramatically to the point where even US and European businesses are starting to divert growth and existing capacity back home because the numbers just don't make sense anymore.
China is "red hot right now" just like Las Vegas and FL real estate was not that long ago here. A massive bubble that few want to see or allow themselves to see.
What's really funny is people thinking they are going to "move" hundreds of millions of rice farmers and peny per hour facgtory workers to quarter million dollar appartments by public policy and edict. Its just not possible. As that starts to happen, wages and prices will rise so harshly it will slam the door just as quickly as it opened it. We're already starting to see it in western market factory areas where wages are inflating dramatically to the point where even US and European businesses are starting to divert growth and existing capacity back home because the numbers just don't make sense anymore.
China is "red hot right now" just like Las Vegas and FL real estate was not that long ago here. A massive bubble that few want to see or allow themselves to see.
Despite these cities and the impending doom, I think we should be expanding into China. We should also be considering a global hub to compete with the likes of Emirates.
09-14-2012, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
They dont have to if the other country does. And yes it is true.
Birth tourism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Birth tourism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
China does not recognize dual nationality. The Article 3 of China Nationality Law holds that the country will not admit the dual nationality of a Chinese citizen. Moreover, the Article 9 of China Nationality Law declares that as soon as a Chinese takes a foreign citizenship, he will automatically lose his Chinese citizenship.
One can certainly attempt dual citizenship, but if you're caught in China who knows what will happen.
Keep posting info though. I am infinitely curious because my wife is Chinese. Believe me, we have looked into this. Sure, there are ways to skirt/break the law and potentially get away with it, but I tend to like my integrity and my wife's freedom to travel to and fro.
09-14-2012, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
They dont have to if the other country does. And yes it is true.
Birth tourism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Birth tourism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That's right. Once a Canuck, always a Canuck....eh. Just like honeybadger, Canucks don't care.
09-14-2012, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Currently their recourse is to contact their reps. If they don't like the answers then they can recall the reps. The reps work directly for the line pilot.
Currently the MEC Chair works directly for the reps; he is their executive officer, meaning he executes the will of the body of the MEC. If he doesn't represent their views, then they can recall him. Going back to paragraph one, if a pilot doesn't think the MEC Chair is doind a good job, his LEC rep is the one accountable for that.
The method you espouse (direct election of the MEC chair) serverely restricts the influence of the LEC rep and strengthens the MEC Chair position. It can also substantially undermine smaller bases, as an MEC Chair elected by a substantial "popular vote" majority doesn't have to answer to representatives with fewer popular vote totals. Our current method requires a senatorial majority (affirmitive) to elect, and roll call can only be used to recall. ATL and DTW together are a roll call majority, but only 6 of 19 votes on the MEC. I can think of several times where "diplomatic" solutions had to be reached (consensus solutions) rather than a power politic solution because of the senatorial check and balance.
btw, it's not that hard for reps to recall the MEC Chair or for pilots to recall their reps. MM was recalled at NWA (2006 I believe) and CG resigned in lieu of recall at Delta in 2001. C44 Captain reps resigned in lieu of recall in 2000 and in 2006.
Currently the MEC Chair works directly for the reps; he is their executive officer, meaning he executes the will of the body of the MEC. If he doesn't represent their views, then they can recall him. Going back to paragraph one, if a pilot doesn't think the MEC Chair is doind a good job, his LEC rep is the one accountable for that.
The method you espouse (direct election of the MEC chair) serverely restricts the influence of the LEC rep and strengthens the MEC Chair position. It can also substantially undermine smaller bases, as an MEC Chair elected by a substantial "popular vote" majority doesn't have to answer to representatives with fewer popular vote totals. Our current method requires a senatorial majority (affirmitive) to elect, and roll call can only be used to recall. ATL and DTW together are a roll call majority, but only 6 of 19 votes on the MEC. I can think of several times where "diplomatic" solutions had to be reached (consensus solutions) rather than a power politic solution because of the senatorial check and balance.
btw, it's not that hard for reps to recall the MEC Chair or for pilots to recall their reps. MM was recalled at NWA (2006 I believe) and CG resigned in lieu of recall at Delta in 2001. C44 Captain reps resigned in lieu of recall in 2000 and in 2006.
To be fair and to make sure you know I'm following what you say, in your view about MEC Chairman direct elections you believe that majority rule could create a tyrannical MEC Chairman that tramples on the minority, panders to the worse inclinations of the pilot group and whose inherent irresponsibility will destroy the union.
Close to right?
In my view, I think we should be allowed to elect the MEC Chairman to prevent a tyrannical MEC Chairman that dictates to a willing MEC and is separated from and not directly accountable to the individual pilot.
And this is why, the most effective checks and balance in self governance is the ability to hire and fire someone. We should have that right.
So yes I am advocating for majority rule when it comes to electing the MEC Chairman but I understand the need to temper that and protect the rights of the minority. Therefore, I absolutely believe the MEC and LEC Reps are a critical requirement to maintain checks and balance of the leadership we elect. Now the dangers of an MEC Chairman who dictates rather than follows is neutralized, because it's their job. The difference is now we control who that person is.
So I'd rather have two votes than just one. Still, two votes is one less than we are provided when it comes to electing the leadership of our country, but I can live with two.
Now to stress test this a bit, let's for arguments sake we have an MEC Chairman (elected in either system whether by the pilots or MEC) who wants to burn the company down for whatever reason. Let's just say you and I are in agreement, he is bad for us.
But let's say he has the support of a majority of the LEC Reps and his ability to muddy the water makes it hard for the individual pilot to follow in the course of living their normal lives. So we argue, we've got to get rid of this guy. Our LEC Rep agrees, he wants him fired.
Under the current system, what can we do from here if our rep agrees but is in the minority and is ostracized due to his votes and is ineffective?
I'm still a bit confused on what else you can do beyond recall your rep. I guess try and rally other members in other councils to recall the bad reps and hope they elect good ones in their place even though we never really know these reps in advance as we don't all hang out. Seems like, if I were that tyrannical MEC Chair, I'd love this system as it throws up an effective roadblock to change I'd never subscribe to for our national government.
Under a direct election system, you get to the next election and you rally the pilots to elect someone else. It's easier, happens on a routine, is decisive and maintains fairness.
09-14-2012, 11:46 AM
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09-14-2012, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
The agreement is in force now, and the company is publicly disclosing their business plan we can look back and see who was more correct with the information available at that time.
09-14-2012, 01:03 PM
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09-14-2012, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Send your check to the Delta Pilots Charitable fund.
If you'd like you can add a zero from the payraise that you got that you don't want...
; (your contribution goes to help really sick and disadvantaged kids).
If you'd like you can add a zero from the payraise that you got that you don't want... ; (your contribution goes to help really sick and disadvantaged kids).Congrats on finally responding to someone's question without making it a question in return.
I don't agree with your logic, but thank you for the response.
09-14-2012, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
The problem is that Keynesianism never works. Ever in human history. Its literally never, ever worked. Any little sugar rush high from fake money will more than come out the other end literally with interest.
Its argurable that we're beyond theback side of the curve now, so he can light the burners all he wants and all we can do now is enjoy the ride and invest for the imminent ejection.
QE's only help "create demand" the way the dot.com, housing and college bubbles do. Temporarilly, artificially, unsustainably and with earth shattering negative consequences later for a temporary, and usually modest, "gain" today.
I see this as a test of RA's true intellect though. He sits on the board of the fake money printers; he knows what goes on behind the curtain (or at least should). There will be major opportunities in the resulting demand destruction and wealth destroying inflation. We'll see if he's smart enough to position us to truly capitalize on that, or if he just goes along with the sheep and acts suprised and begs for a bailout like everyone else.
I want to think he's smart about it long term, but all he can seem to focus on is gifting capacity to LCC's and foreign ponzi scheme airlines. Maybe its part of a master plan though, like the magic 10B debt level and all that jazz. We'll see.
Its argurable that we're beyond theback side of the curve now, so he can light the burners all he wants and all we can do now is enjoy the ride and invest for the imminent ejection.
QE's only help "create demand" the way the dot.com, housing and college bubbles do. Temporarilly, artificially, unsustainably and with earth shattering negative consequences later for a temporary, and usually modest, "gain" today.
I see this as a test of RA's true intellect though. He sits on the board of the fake money printers; he knows what goes on behind the curtain (or at least should). There will be major opportunities in the resulting demand destruction and wealth destroying inflation. We'll see if he's smart enough to position us to truly capitalize on that, or if he just goes along with the sheep and acts suprised and begs for a bailout like everyone else.
I want to think he's smart about it long term, but all he can seem to focus on is gifting capacity to LCC's and foreign ponzi scheme airlines. Maybe its part of a master plan though, like the magic 10B debt level and all that jazz. We'll see.
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The Fed on Thursday said it would pump $40 billion into the U.S. economy each month until it saw a sustained upturn in the weak jobs market. (Read more: Fed's 'QE Infinity' — Four Things That Could Go Wrong)In its downgrade, the firm said that issuing more currency and depressing interest rates through purchasing mortgage-backed securities does little to raise the U.S.'s real gross domestic product, but reduces the value of the dollar. In turn, this increases the cost of commodities, which will pressure the profitability of businesses and increase the costs of consumers thereby reducing consumer purchasing power, the firm said.
In April, Egan-Jones cuts the U.S. credit rating to "AA" from "AA+" with a negative watch, citing a lack of progress in cutting the mounting federal debt.
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09-14-2012, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Send your check to the Delta Pilots Charitable fund. If you'd like you can add a zero from the payraise that you got that you don't want... ; (your contribution goes to help really sick and disadvantaged kids).
If you'd like you can add a zero from the payraise that you got that you don't want... ; (your contribution goes to help really sick and disadvantaged kids).
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
But then this update from SEA came out and it brings up the question about what if things flowed not from the elected members up but instead flowed from the MEC down?
Then what recourse do pilots have?
Then what recourse do pilots have?
Originally Posted by slowplay
Currently their recourse is to contact their reps. If they don't like the answers then they can recall the reps. The reps work directly for the line pilot.
Currently the MEC Chair works directly for the reps; he is their executive officer, meaning he executes the will of the body of the MEC. If he doesn't represent their views, then they can recall him. Going back to paragraph one, if a pilot doesn't think the MEC Chair is doind a good job, his LEC rep is the one accountable for that.
The method you espouse (direct election of the MEC chair) serverely restricts the influence of the LEC rep and strengthens the MEC Chair position. It can also substantially undermine smaller bases, as an MEC Chair elected by a substantial "popular vote" majority doesn't have to answer to representatives with fewer popular vote totals. Our current method requires a senatorial majority (affirmitive) to elect, and roll call can only be used to recall. ATL and DTW together are a roll call majority, but only 6 of 19 votes on the MEC. I can think of several times where "diplomatic" solutions had to be reached (consensus solutions) rather than a power politic solution because of the senatorial check and balance.
btw, it's not that hard for reps to recall the MEC Chair or for pilots to recall their reps. MM was recalled at NWA (2006 I believe) and CG resigned in lieu of recall at Delta in 2001. C44 Captain reps resigned in lieu of recall in 2000 and in 2006.
Currently the MEC Chair works directly for the reps; he is their executive officer, meaning he executes the will of the body of the MEC. If he doesn't represent their views, then they can recall him. Going back to paragraph one, if a pilot doesn't think the MEC Chair is doind a good job, his LEC rep is the one accountable for that.
The method you espouse (direct election of the MEC chair) serverely restricts the influence of the LEC rep and strengthens the MEC Chair position. It can also substantially undermine smaller bases, as an MEC Chair elected by a substantial "popular vote" majority doesn't have to answer to representatives with fewer popular vote totals. Our current method requires a senatorial majority (affirmitive) to elect, and roll call can only be used to recall. ATL and DTW together are a roll call majority, but only 6 of 19 votes on the MEC. I can think of several times where "diplomatic" solutions had to be reached (consensus solutions) rather than a power politic solution because of the senatorial check and balance.
btw, it's not that hard for reps to recall the MEC Chair or for pilots to recall their reps. MM was recalled at NWA (2006 I believe) and CG resigned in lieu of recall at Delta in 2001. C44 Captain reps resigned in lieu of recall in 2000 and in 2006.
This MEC meeting was the first after the split vote on the TA. There was a simmering anger from some members of the MEC, MEC committee personnel, and MEC administration over my vote of no, and the fact I wrote and expressed my view to this council. So is this anger from others going to morph into deciding to ignore what I have to say? Finding solutions to complex problems amongst almost 12,000 pilots requires input from everyone. If there is going to be retribution in the form of isolating a representative because you did not like their vote on an issue, what guarantee does the minority have that they will be heard in the future when they may be advocating the majority solution. How is this in the best interest of all of us?
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