Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-25-2012 | 07:57 PM
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Well, you are shooting the messenger and I pleaded with you not to shoot the messenger.
The real answer as to why we should be concerned about they think is that they own the company we work for. At some point, the owners could say no to this constructive engagement process and we could go back to the old ways. Unfortunately, the old ways don't lead to a 12.8% raise by the amendable date they lead to giant turd for about 4-7 years.
So my response is that we should not respond to their concerns by throwing money at them, but we should continue to add value to the corporation in non-traditional ways. We should work with them in Washington and else where to ensure that their business plans can be executed. And yes, that means our work on the slot swap at LGA was more than worth it as they are succeeding, making more money, and giving some of it to us. (they are also slowly upgauging the flying too). We need to fight alongside them to ensure we don't get b-slapped by the Japanese government in Haneda.
We need to show that the extra dough-re-mi we are getting is worth it in the company's ability to execute their business plan. Look how side tracked AMR is right now with that train wreck they have going on. No one is winning that fight. We are doing a damn good job of running the operation right now, so that should continue. Thank your customers, look professional, help your fellow employees, only whine and moan when you are at 350 and not in the gate house. Those are the little things that we can do to add value to the company while still racking in more green.
If Delta wants to consolidate we should make that seamless and not turn it into another US Air or (to a lesser degree) United fiasco. Let's get money out of that action too.
So that is why we should care to some degree about what they think. They own the company and they have to sign off on any increases in our contract. Caring about what they think and doing whatever they want are two different things. It should be expected that our interests will diverge over our value and how we are compensated. It is just the rest of the time we should make the company succeed and then demand a share of that success.
The real answer as to why we should be concerned about they think is that they own the company we work for. At some point, the owners could say no to this constructive engagement process and we could go back to the old ways. Unfortunately, the old ways don't lead to a 12.8% raise by the amendable date they lead to giant turd for about 4-7 years.
So my response is that we should not respond to their concerns by throwing money at them, but we should continue to add value to the corporation in non-traditional ways. We should work with them in Washington and else where to ensure that their business plans can be executed. And yes, that means our work on the slot swap at LGA was more than worth it as they are succeeding, making more money, and giving some of it to us. (they are also slowly upgauging the flying too). We need to fight alongside them to ensure we don't get b-slapped by the Japanese government in Haneda.
We need to show that the extra dough-re-mi we are getting is worth it in the company's ability to execute their business plan. Look how side tracked AMR is right now with that train wreck they have going on. No one is winning that fight. We are doing a damn good job of running the operation right now, so that should continue. Thank your customers, look professional, help your fellow employees, only whine and moan when you are at 350 and not in the gate house. Those are the little things that we can do to add value to the company while still racking in more green.
If Delta wants to consolidate we should make that seamless and not turn it into another US Air or (to a lesser degree) United fiasco. Let's get money out of that action too.
So that is why we should care to some degree about what they think. They own the company and they have to sign off on any increases in our contract. Caring about what they think and doing whatever they want are two different things. It should be expected that our interests will diverge over our value and how we are compensated. It is just the rest of the time we should make the company succeed and then demand a share of that success.
10-25-2012 | 08:01 PM
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"Part of what we’re doing here is putting a better product in the market, better fuel efficiency, fewer airplanes in the air and our customers tell us they much prefer flying on mainline airplanes rather than 34-, 44-, and 50-seat airplanes."
Mainline = 70/76 seaters? If so, I wanna fly em'.
10-25-2012 | 08:02 PM
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Have to look at this thing from all sides!
10-25-2012 | 08:08 PM
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10-25-2012 | 08:16 PM
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The point I was trying to make is: Some constructive engagement is good...clearly. However, prior to the TA, I made the point several times that the folks at the top of DALPA only have experience in concessionary negotiation.
A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down. Unfortunately, we ended up with a contract that has many concessions in it. (medicine) It has one payraise and some (barely if at all) COLA. The spoonful of sugar is that it was negotiated quickly.
To continue to defend the sales job and the (questionable) process and further to do this given the backdrop of the earnings call yesterday is IMO a stockholm syndrome or justification that our bankruptcy contract has become the new normal.
I know I'm a w-2 employee at DAL. I don't even want to visit the 4th floor. Do I think I could do many of their jobs...yes.
10-25-2012 | 08:19 PM
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I think something was going to happen to the RJ's...the ones we already operated that is.
Management is sly as a fox when it comes to getting around contracts. I'm sure they could have come up with something (EX. Freedom - Been into BNA in the past 5 years...)
Ahh next time.
Management is sly as a fox when it comes to getting around contracts. I'm sure they could have come up with something (EX. Freedom - Been into BNA in the past 5 years...)
Ahh next time.
10-25-2012 | 08:19 PM
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I was specifically trying not to shoot the messenger.
The point I was trying to make is: Some constructive engagement is good...clearly. However, prior to the TA, I made the point several times that the folks at the top of DALPA only have experience in concessionary negotiation.
A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down. Unfortunately, we ended up with a contract that has many concessions in it. (medicine) It has one payraise and some (barely if at all) COLA. The spoonful of sugar is that it was negotiated quickly.
To continue to defend the sales job and the (questionable) process and further to do this given the backdrop of the earnings call yesterday is IMO a stockholm syndrome or justification that our bankruptcy contract has become the new normal.
I know I'm a w-2 employee at DAL. I don't even want to visit the 4th floor. Do I think I could do many of their jobs...yes.
The point I was trying to make is: Some constructive engagement is good...clearly. However, prior to the TA, I made the point several times that the folks at the top of DALPA only have experience in concessionary negotiation.
A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down. Unfortunately, we ended up with a contract that has many concessions in it. (medicine) It has one payraise and some (barely if at all) COLA. The spoonful of sugar is that it was negotiated quickly.
To continue to defend the sales job and the (questionable) process and further to do this given the backdrop of the earnings call yesterday is IMO a stockholm syndrome or justification that our bankruptcy contract has become the new normal.
I know I'm a w-2 employee at DAL. I don't even want to visit the 4th floor. Do I think I could do many of their jobs...yes.
though youst done forget to mention hiring in the fall of 2012.
10-25-2012 | 08:20 PM
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10-25-2012 | 08:20 PM
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10-25-2012 | 08:21 PM
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I think something was going to happen to the RJ's...the ones we already operated that is.
Management is sly as a fox when it comes to getting around contracts. I'm sure they could have come up with something (EX. Freedom - Been into BNA in the past 5 years...)
Ahh next time.
Management is sly as a fox when it comes to getting around contracts. I'm sure they could have come up with something (EX. Freedom - Been into BNA in the past 5 years...)
Ahh next time.
but the contract was pretty clear, 255 max on 51+ seaters. If they had plans for more it'd been interesting to seen the means by which they'd gotten em' outside C2012.
let me formulate some thoughts... MOU?
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