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Old 11-03-2012 | 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Excellent advice, johnso.

I'm trying to figure out what I'm going to do. I really hope the CA positions in ATL absorb the widebody landslide (again).
Hopefully so 80. I say you should try to hang on to the 320 or go back to the fluff. Either that, or see if you can get the Diesel 9-osaur!
Old 11-03-2012 | 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
A little clarification here. On a VD you use the seniority of the pilot who would have been MD'd to get into the category you want but once you get in the category via the VD you exercise your seniority.

Denny

That's correct Denny, and thanks for adding that. Once you're in the category you use your own seniority power, but you have to use someone elses seniority to get to that category.
Old 11-03-2012 | 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
I read that and here is where I run into a problem with it. Alfa says: "A 4 to 1 hub to hub ratio, meaning for every 1 flight that Alaska has Delta code on between Seattle and a Delta hub, Delta has to have 4 flights with Alaska code on in the same market."

The statement is incorrect as far as SEA to SLC flights are concerned. These flights are NOT hub to hub. Seattle is not a Delta hub whereas Salt Lake City is a Delta hub. This is clearly stated in the contract. When I looked up our scope clause, section 1. O. 3. it says: The DL code will not be placed on AS flight segments to or from a Delta hub. There are exceptions listed after this but, as far as I can tell, they are for hub to hub flights not a non hub (Seattle) to a hub (SLC).

Of course I'm not a lawyer so it probably does say it some where I just cannot figure out where......

I must be reading the exceptions wrong, I just cannot figure out how. They all talk about hub to hub flights.....

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Denny, what about this?

1.O.3. The DL code will not be placed on AS flight segments to or from a Delta hub.

Here's the way I'm interpreting it. It doesn't state to AND from Delta hubs, or in between Delta hubs. It states to OR from Delta hubs. So if the the AS flight is SEA TO SLC, they can't put the DL code on it. If the AS flight is to SEA FROM SLC, they can't put the DL code on it.

Am I off on this one?
Old 11-03-2012 | 06:10 AM
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Is there a spot in the ATL crew room where they store extra FCBs, FOBs, and Mid Cylce revisions? Thanks, not ATL based.
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Old 11-03-2012 | 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Well if you VD you will incur a 2 yr freeze, and you will only hold what the seniority of the person you are saving from a MD will hold. Of course considering the seniority number of the most junior NYC 7ERB, that's probably not an issue.

I think if you want to protect yourself you AE NYC 320B @ a percentage(ex-NYC 320B 75%), then AE NYC 7ERB. Then VD NYC 7ERB. As always, you could contact DALPA for the best advice.
Don't forget to first list NYC320B @75% before the NYC7ERB VD.

As an aside to the other VD discussion, you get to use your own seniority if you VD to your current aircraft at a different base.
Old 11-03-2012 | 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by The Cavalier
Is there a spot in the ATL crew room where they store extra FCBs, FOBs, and Mid Cylce revisions? Thanks, not ATL based.
I believe if you go to the v files of your respective fleet they are typically stored of the very end.
Old 11-03-2012 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
That's correct Denny, and thanks for adding that. Once you're in the category you use your own seniority power, but you have to use someone elses seniority to get to that category.
The logic behind that is, it protects the guys in the 'new' category from being displaced by a senior guy taking a VD, because he can only go where that junior guy could have gone.

BUT...once he gets there, he's using his seniority number to bid, so the junior guys in category could still find guys senior to them coming in above them, even if there were zero openings posted, if one junior guy in a cut category could have have held it....

So, in the end, nobody know's where they will end up, and nobody knows who might come in, or if they'll be above or below them! Thought you were a line holder?? Not any more!

See? It's Perfect!

It's supposed to keep the pinball effect to a minimum during times of displacement, by only allowing a VD to go to where the most junior MD guy could have gone, but I've seen some reallly strange results. They do list the reasons for the moves next to the awards, so you should be able to see how anyone was awarded his new possition, be it MD, VD or AE.

Here's one more thing to be aware of when bidding anything "NEW" ie. when the 717 bids start coming. If you want to be a line holder, and you bid it "Regular Line Only" or as say, 60%, when the computer runs the bids, it looks at the TOTAL number of pilots in the new category, after ALL of them have been converted. Of couse they don't come into the new category all at once, so you could be a Senior guy on the bid, go to training first, be converted first, and guess what?

Now you are ON RESERVE!

Why?

Because even though you might have been number 20 of 100 on the AE bid award, you might also be number 20 of the first 20 guys trained and converted, so now you are the PLUG when you are converted, for some months, until more are trained and converted under you. This might take 6 months or longer, while you commute to reserve! So be careful if you are bidding into any "New" category.

Even though you put Regular Line Only, you may be the reserve plug until everyone else below you is trained and converted.
Old 11-03-2012 | 06:21 AM
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this is a picture of her in college I THINK.....

Originally Posted by Boomer
Got Milk??
No. I think you'd have Malt.
Old 11-03-2012 | 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
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Originally Posted by mmaviator
this is a picture of her in college I THINK.....

Now that's a LADY!
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