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Old 11-07-2012 | 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
is a higher gdp due to government spending a good thing Bar?

and if your savings are lost due to inflation thanks to QE, how is that good?

I'll put it this way, i had three major expenditures that i was planning on doing late this year and next, I'm shelving them all for now.
If your 3 major expenditures required a loan, I wouldn't put them off, I'd do them all pretty soon due to interest rates.
Old 11-07-2012 | 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The 717's were not coming based on price. It does not matter if they were free you had to have a place to fly the aircraft. You needed space in your overall system. Without that headroom the company would not have purchased the aircraft. The 717's are not growth aircraft for the Delta system. They are growth aircraft for the mainline. That is a key point you are missing.
Sailing;

If the 717s are mainline growth aircraft, I will buy you the multi-course Greek dinner of your choice at the Lucky Boy in 5 towns. Until that is proven, I will remain a skeptic.

What you say above makes perfect sense, but when Lucy has a football...
Old 11-07-2012 | 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Too Tall
DC9B ATL, we hardly ever fly out of the South East. Doubt we will see snow, wind or major weather events in SAV or BHM. Wouldn't be surprised if that is what scheduling was thinking though.
There are only 4 pilots shown on short call for 7 Nov in that category.
Old 11-07-2012 | 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
is a higher gdp due to government spending a good thing Bar?

and if your savings are lost due to inflation thanks to QE, how is that good?

I'll put it this way, i had three major expenditures that i was planning on doing late this year and next, I'm shelving them all for now.
Generally, if spent well, government spending to improve GDP is a good thing. The interstate highway system serves as a good example of a very expensive project which improved America's GDP, not just then, but going forward. Projects Mercury, Gemini and Apollo resulted in technological innovations and leadership that still pays some dividends.

I entirely agree with your concerns regarding inflation. However, thus far we have not seen a great deal of inflation thus far. Deflation, followed by inflation, scares me. While inflation is a slow thief, deflation comes with the speed of a fire.

You have to consider the various sources of the money supply and where it goes. While the Fed creates money, so does leverage at your local bank. If you deposit a dollar and they lend dollar, that's two dollars. If a home decreases in value by 50% and that equity is no longer used, or if I save a dollar and it isn't lent, that's money out of circulation.

Until the political parties go after entitlements and fundamentally restructure our tax code BOTH parties are going to tax and spend in a very similar fashion. The vast majority of spending goes to entitlements which would be spent the exact same way with either party.

I did not think Romney could beat Obama within the current management of the GOP. Overall the Republican party needs reform to win. Obama's campaign manager said he was worried by Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry because either of those candidates' policies would have appealed to the Latino vote (who voted for Obama 72%). Instead Romney's logic got pushed aside to the point he sounded more like Carl Rove and less and less like himself.

IMHO, Romney's own staff and the Republican party at large cost him an election he easily could have won. He was persuaded by "experts" who gave him bad advice. That's another post I guess on another forum ... but the Republicans have to consider the reasons for their loss and perhaps someone needs to take Mitch McConnell behind the proverbial woodshed. ... as a result of his obstructions the Senate took a real swerve to the left ... .

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Old 11-07-2012 | 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
There are only 4 pilots shown on short call for 7 Nov in that category.
I stand corrected there are 7 not 8 , but that is till 3 more than target. SC that extend unto the 8th are listed on the right side not the left, those aren't even targeted. That is a lot for a category that has very little flying and reserve utilization.
Old 11-07-2012 | 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8

Let me try my hand at "apolitical": no matter who won, we remain on track for recovery into next year, we still have huge issues in front of us, and the real question is how we split the tab for the horrible bender we've all been on.
No kidding, I can't believe people think it would be so drastically different if the other guy got elected. We still have a dysfunctional House and Senate that can't compromise on anything. What we need is for those idiots to realize that compromise is the only way anything will get done and not to just obstruct because they can't get everything they want.
Old 11-07-2012 | 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Too Tall
I stand corrected there are 7 not 8 , but that is till 3 more than target. SC that extend unto the 8th are listed on the right side not the left, those aren't even targeted. That is a lot for a category that has very little flying and reserve utilization.
I just looked again. For 7 Nov there are now 3 pilots on Short Call today in the ATL DC9B category according to DBMS. They have one pilot listed for the 8th so far on short call. I would cut and paste the list but it includes personal data. There are two pilots on short call in the 4 day availability grouping and 1 pilot in the 3 day.

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Old 11-07-2012 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueMoon
No kidding, I can't believe people think it would be so drastically different if the other guy got elected. We still have a dysfunctional House and Senate that can't compromise on anything. What we need is for those idiots to realize that compromise is the only way anything will get done and not to just obstruct because they can't get everything they want.
I don't see any coherence in the electorate choosing to add Democrstic seats to the Senate and more Republican seats to the House. If the country dislikes Congressional gridlock, why did the vote turn out this way? Wouldn't it make more sense to have Congress be one party or another in order to pass some kind of legislation?
Old 11-07-2012 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by NWARet
Are these the depressed markets you refer to?

Jan. 20, 2009............... Yesterday
Dow 7949..................... 13192
Nasdaq 1440 ................. 2681
S&P 805 ....................... 1427
The bills will be coming due shortly. But by all means, please buy... and buy big, because with free health care and gubbamint retirement packages in place there's nothing to lose... right?
Old 11-07-2012 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Erdude32
Whatever economics could have happened had the results been different does not matter if you don't have a job. The guy who would have allowed cabatage and foreign ownership and was very anti-labor was just shown the door.
Mmmmmmkay. So please tell me how the other guy, who really really wants to hammer the evil banks, is gonna force them to free up the money supply? In other words, where are people gonna get the bucks to buy those over priced American made electric cars that will save the planet? There will be no incentive for those same evil banks to give you or me a loan to buy those cars, and as a result there will be no need for those auto companies to keep those same people employed, and THOSE people are the ones that buy airline tickets. Cabotage is OBE now...

Doomsday scenario?

Maybe, but when socialism strangled the Soviet Union, the workers figured that making one big nail was easier than making a thousand of the correct sized ones. Then.... they went bankrupt.

I want to figure out how to get MY share of that free stuff now....
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