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Old 08-02-2009, 08:50 PM
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Okay, my dumb idea of the day, but I was thinking is it possible to replace the 88 and DC9s avionics with one of these?



Best I can tell these Garmin 600s are $35,000 uninstalled but someone in the GA world might know more. I mean if you can retrofit it into a 1978 Cessna 172 why can't we have it?
Probably would work, but I am sure there would be something like power supply that would mess it up.

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Old 08-02-2009, 08:50 PM
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If you did not get easter eggs, it is because you had a nice instructor. I have had more than a few on both programs. Just do the flows and there are no issues. I like the one where they put the HYD S/O switch in to off. You cannot just fix it, but it is a reset once found.
Maybe so or maybe they felt like they didn't have to do it because I have a tendancy to self enduce easter eggs. I mean I don't like being a glutton for punishment but its better in the sim then in the plane. I'm not going to admit whether I suggest it or not, just to protect the innocent (me) from retribution.

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Not to be nitpicky but stalls are not demo only items. They have been on the grading sheet for every checkride I have had.
Maybe and you've done a whole lot more than I. I've only been here since early 08. And its possible that we just slipped through the cracks as I am starting to figure out here but for me personally I only got it at the beginning of the 300s on the initial training and I only did the short recurrent on the ER so I haven't had a full blown recurrent yet. I agree that I don't want it to take up all of say the 300 training learning to put it in a stall and recover +/- 100', but it does kind of help develop aircraft control and a scan for your particular aircraft. The only reason I bring it up is I saw someone, an A, drop a 1,000' in a steep turn and the instructor said "well, its just a demo item." And we moved on.
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Old 08-02-2009, 08:51 PM
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I know that there were a lot of CA's getting paired up with new hire FO's on the 73N in 07 and 08. FWIW.
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Old 08-02-2009, 08:53 PM
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Upon further thinking, I do believe you are right stalls are demo only! (I was thinking windsear recoveries) Sorry!

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Old 08-02-2009, 08:53 PM
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Maybe so or maybe they felt like they didn't have to do it because I have a tendancy to self enduce easter eggs. I mean I don't like being a glutton for punishment but its better in the sim then in the plane. I'm not going to admit whether I suggest it or not, just to protect the innocent (me) from retribution.



Maybe and you've done a whole lot more than I. I've only been here since early 08. And its possible that we just slipped through the cracks as I am starting to figure out here but for me personally I only got it at the beginning of the 300s on the initial training and I only did the short recurrent on the ER so I haven't had a full blown recurrent yet. I agree that I don't want it to take up all of say the 300 training learning to put it in a stall and recover +/- 100', but it does kind of help develop aircraft control and a scan for your particular aircraft. The only reason I bring it up is I saw someone drop a 1,000' in a steep turn and the instructor said "well, its just a demo item." And we moved on.

And the note it, and if there are other issues this one will be brought up too. I normally do that type of stuff on 301. Not the best day to be at ATP standards. Ya think?
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Old 08-02-2009, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane View Post
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Upon further thinking, I do believe you are right stalls are demo only! (I was thinking windsear recoveries) Sorry!

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I'm glad there are no ATP standards on windshear recoveries. Holy cow, the recovery from the recovery deserves a write up in the logbook: "Windshear Recovery performed" and therein a D check is automatically required.

As to your avatar picture, I had that guy on my flight out of SRQ. He sat in coach and we had to do a high altitude go around (not our fault) and then my landing lets say was the worse I ever had on the 88 (I'd like to say it was not my fault but it was). And then I got to meet him. He got off grinning ear to ear and gave me a hard time. I took my lumps and moved on and had a great landing the next leg and that made me so mad. In retrospect I should've said "Captain Kirk wouldn't have done that" but I couldn't think fast enough.
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Old 08-02-2009, 09:00 PM
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My guess is a good instructor can tell if he is going to get writers cramp within the first 15 minutes of the sim!

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Old 08-02-2009, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot View Post
As for the steep turns/stalls being demo, it is the way the AQP program was written. Like I have said before. If you do not like something fill out the critiques they send you on DBMS. They read every one of them. Most do not fill them out, so the ones that get done, get a lot of attention. I have filled out everyone I have ever gotten, and am not afraid to call out an attitude, or event that I think needs more or less attention. I have actually been called a few times about my thoughts.
Squeaky wheel gets the grease.
I've filled out a few of those critiques and honestly the format is so un-user friendly it makes me suprised to hear they are a big deal. You would think they would give you more than 3 lines and text wrapping if they wanted you to be able to write anything coherant or meaningful. Once you run out of space you can't edit without starting over or having to count how many spaces to delete so you can add what you want. I've had maybe 5 things I wanted to mention and barely space for 2. Very frustrating and and difficult to write like that. Made me think they really didn't want the input or they would give us adequate space.
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Old 08-02-2009, 09:01 PM
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Maybe someone from the North can answer this but a buddy there told me as a new hire they paired him, and all the other new hires, up with a Capt going thorough left seat upgrade. His happened to have a bunch of time on the -9 and helped him enormously through training and company indoc. I thought that was a great idea, really for all training. Who better as a mentor than someone who's been doing the job you're training for. Nothing like that at all in my training experience. Usually two copilots trading out seats. His opinion was that the NW training dept overall was outstanding.
That only happens when it works out with captains upgrading at the same time. My guess is that most new-hire training has historically been FO's paired up (it was for me as a new hire and when recalled from furlough). It can be good and bad, as always it depends on the crew. I transitioned to the little bus and was paired with an initial captain checkout and was a great experience. I have always been amazed at the quality of the North's training dept.
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Old 08-02-2009, 09:06 PM
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I was a kid when the original "Star Trek" aired. What a show for that time!! I can remember waiting in anticipation with my older siblings each week for the next episode. The only other role of his I've liked as much or more has been Denny Crane. Now wheres my paintball gun!!

Sorry for getting off track. Must be the mad cow kicking in!

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